Thursday, 1 November 2007

Gun violence in Toronto isn't simply a "black problem." It's a Jamaica problem

This first story is from the Toronto Star.

Deported man faces firearms charges

Police question how man ousted from Canada after attempted-murder conviction is back again

Oct 30, 2007 04:30 AM

Betsy Powell
Crime Reporter


The Canadian Border Services Agency is investigating how and when a man deported from Canada two years ago sneaked back into the country only to be arrested on the weekend by Toronto police on multiple firearms charges.

Lloyd Demetrius, 28, was taken into custody early Saturday after two men fired several shots into the air in front of a bar on Hymus Rd., near Warden and St. Clair Aves.

Also charged was Ernesto Gayle, 30, who was released from custody in April for time served after pleading guilty to gangsterism charges. He was arrested in 2004 as part of Project Pathfinder, targeting members of the Galloway Boys, based in the southeast Toronto.

...

Police said they performed two "high-risk takedowns" on vehicles in different parts of east Toronto. A Glock pistol and crack cocaine were seized from one vehicle. Several spent shell casings were located inside the other vehicle and a 9 mm handgun was found nearby.

In 1999, Demetrius was convicted of pumping three bullets into a man who tried to calm him down after Demetrius demanded to be at the front of a takeout line at a West Indian restaurant at Kingston and Galloway Rds.

After Demetrius fled the scene, a warrant for attempted murder was issued and his name was added to Toronto police's most wanted website. In July 2000, he was arrested when he crossed back into Canada under his own name.

...

Pape can't confirm where he went but Demetrius was born in Jamaica. He came to Canada as a child in 1981 and became a permanent resident.


This second story is also from Toronto Star.

'Good kid' gunned down

Shocked family grieves after Jamie Hilton, 21, shot to death; one other man hurt in shootout

Oct 29, 2007 04:30 AM
Jim Wilkes


Less than an hour before he was shot to death, Jamie Hilton was packing boxes of food and clothing bound for relatives in Jamaica.

The 21-year-old was gunned down in a Dundas St. W. apartment shortly before 9 p.m. Saturday, just a block from the apartment where he lived with his mother and three younger siblings.

He was, according to family and police, "a good boy" who had never been in trouble with the law.

And yet he died in a hail of gunfire that also wounded another man and left police hunting for the tenants of the apartment he visited.

"This is not right," Julette Douglas sobbed as she left home to identify her son's body at the morgue.

"He's a good kid, a good kid. He never had no problem with the law.

...

Reid said Hilton had been in Canada about 10 years. He has two teenaged sisters and a 3-year-old brother. He also has half-siblings who live with his father in Jamaica. "Everyone is taking it so hard."


It has become commonplace in Toronto to read news stories where the killer or the killed is Jamaican or is of Jamaican heritage with relatives still living in the home country. Jamaican society is not compatible with Canadian values. It is violent, homophobic, and misogynistic. It is a failed state where it is common for children of a shared mother but of different fathers live in a single parent home. What good is it for Canada to import people who come from this society and replicate in our cities? I, for one, do not want to see it in my country but it is here because we imported it. I do not suggest Canada totally cut off any immigration from Jamaica but we should severely restrict the importation of Jamaicans.

8 comments:

blinders-off said...

If you first agree to ban the black hands that carry those guns, you'll make history by having my support in banning handguns in Toronto the Hood (formerly known as 'Toronto the Good' -- probably before your time, though.)

Anonymous said...

Its funny that people find it so easy to put blame on "black people" in general for crimes yet in prisons in Ontario the amount of black population is less than 2o% it's obvious that the crimes by white people are just not getting the same media attention as blacks which makes it seem like they are the only ones committing crimes. It's also funny that white people talk about Jamaicans yet they are in Jamaican restaurants, their women are dating and having biracial children with Jamaican men and most white people listen to Jamaican music and "Black" artists. There are a lot of good Jamaicans who have come to this country and have tried to do good for themself, so stop blaming Jamaicans in general and understand that this isn't a Jamaican problem

Anonymous said...

anon

STFU Jamaica is one fucked up country with messed up people I live in London and I'm black and I'm trying to find a place to live without Jamaicans as they're too fucking violent and ignorant. Look at the knife crime in London all black and wiggas they make me sick.

TRy anything in London and there is always some nigga who's gonna try and fuck it up.

My black neighbour has for the past 4 years banged and crashed around usually after midnight when I brought it up it seemed like he wanted to kill me. You can't reason with that kind of ignorance.

Black people are not saints so stop defending them and there seems to be more bad ones than good.

And another thing if you want the truth black people hate each other thats why it's easy for them to kill each other

ACSial said...

Gangs are not a racial, poverty, nor single-parenthood issue.

Young men (NOT so much women) crave 'social capital'--i.e. (in this context), the ability to make other people poop their pants. This is why young Chinese boys would rather sweep the floors at a Triad clubhouse--and be 'gangsters'--than become accountants or doctors like their dads. Women and effete eggheads tend not to grasp this. This is also why most boys would rather be Jack Bauer than Richie Rich.

Gang membership transends race. Look at another Island nation: Scotland. They have a TERRIBLE gang problem ('Tartan Mafia') and issues with young offenders. Jamaica was, like other Carribean nations, a relatively low-crime place until the Michael Manley kleptocracy. It's just as easy to start a homegrown culture of crime, as to import it. Of course, you should really avoid doing the latter...

If single-parent homes are the 'cause,' then why are there so many Muslim and Asian gangbangers, from patriarchal homes?

Both Jamaica and Scotland have, in effect, complete handgun bans. This hasn't stopped handguns (and worse) from getting into the hands of dredlocked and kilted thugs. Supposedly, it's just sooo easy to prevent the influx of guns into island nations, or says Wendy Cukier...

True, better screening of immigrants, CCW laws for civilians and much tougher penalties for crime are very effective measures. However, the matter of Jane & Finch's gangbanger issue shouldn't be an excuse for David Duke, Dan Quayle and Wendy Cukier types with axes to grind to push their agendas.

Adam C. Sieracki

Anonymous said...

This is groundbreaking! Despite the fact that I am classified as black, I use the word "classfied" because humans feel the need to categorize everything into groups despite CLEAR and distinct differences, I am FAR from having any association with those involved in gang activity or low life living. Therefore phrases such as "black problem,"
really irritate me.

This generlization of minorities is dangerous. Not to appear rude, as I am no where near being Jamaican, but it is a true statement that this is a Jamaican issue, and not a black or Caribbean issue either as islands are distinct in their cultural traditions and physical appearance, just as Europeans are e.g. Portugese, or German or Egyptian and Nigerian. Jamaica is not "like" other Caribbean nations, it is its own nation, just as nations across the globe are distinct nations.

Some scholars are starting to realize this, as there is research emerging to sugguest exactly what is being stated here.

It is important for people not to generalize "black" as some individuals classified as black do not share similar experiences for a number of reasons. One women mentioned "Black" music and "Jamaican" music in the same sentence as if to suggest they were one and the same; this is not true. Most of the urban music sung by "black" (quotes added for emphasis) people are produced by African American atritts, big differnce, despite that fact that some people feel anything that labeled black is one and the same. Oh how untrue.

This generalization is dangerous, as innocent people become vicitms when such generalizations are made i.e "black community". The Chinese and Cambodian know to call themselves just what they are, as the Italians, and Irish Australians, and Sri Lankans do as well. Smart people, they understand the need to uphold distinct differences, (less trouble, much cultural pride) they're on a different level, they get it!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
anon

You are an idiot. Not all Jamaicans are criminals but comments like your does not help either. Am also black but would not want to associate with you because you are just as ignorant as the jerks causing these problems. For you information Jamaicans are not the only one doing these crimes but it’s very easy to say there are from Jamaica when they get caught.

Anonymous said...

I AM A JAMAICAN AND A PROUD ONE, I CAME TO CANADA 17 YEARS AND BECAME A MEMBER OF THE LEGAL PROFESSIONAL, I AM A LAW ABIDEING CITIZEN AND MOST OF US MATURE JAMAICANS ARE.
TO SAY THAT JAMAICANS ARE THE ONLY GANSTERS IN CANADA IS HARSH, THEY ARE APART FOR SURE BUT NOT IN ENTIRIETY.

MOSTIF NOT ALL OF THE TROUBLE MAKERS ARE NOT EVEN JAMAICAN BORN, THEY ARE EITHER BORN CANADIANS OF JAMAICAN PARENTAGE OR THEY CAME HERE WHEN THEY WERE BABIES SO STOP THE IGNORANCE MY FRIEND THE GUN CRIME IN TORONTO IS NOT CARRIED OUT BY JAMAICANS ONLY.
PEACE OUT.

Costaricagringo said...

As a long time Toronto Transit bus driver who just retired, I can tell you that 95% of any problems I had on my buses with passengers "were Jamaican". Jamaican gangs are responsible for over 95% of all gun related crimes in Toronto. I know where are good Jamaican people, but a high percentage of them find it difficult to fit into a civilized society. I've also been physically assaulted and shot at by Jamaican gangs will operating a TTC bus.