Sunday, 16 December 2007

If Brampton is Canada for Indian immigrants then Canada is an Indian colony

Calling it a "community" is just a euphemism when colony is more apt. This is from The Toronto Star.

`For Indians, Brampton is Canada'

Dec 05, 2007 04:30 AM
Noor Javed
Staff Reporter


In the summer of 2006, Babita Sharma and her 2-year-old son left their home in Punjab, India, to start a new life in Canada. But their destination was not Toronto. Instead, Sharma landed in Brampton, where she joined her husband.

"He didn't even think of Toronto when he came here to look for a job," said Sharma. "Brampton has everything we need – the community, the stores, and it's affordable for us."

It seems a disproportionate amount of South Asian immigrants are from the Punjab which invariably means Sikh immigration. Because of this Canada is now home to one of the largest gatherings of Sikhs outside of India. According to the 2001 census there were 278,000 people in Canada identifying themselves as Sikhs. The number is undoubtedly higher now probably over 300,000. This is in comparison to the 336,000 Sikhs in Britain and a mere 100,000 living in the United States giving Canada the highest concentration of Sikhs per capita outside of India. A projected 443,600 Sikhs will be residing in Canada in 2017, according to wiki.

Sikhs are a minority in South Asia at an estimated 20 million in India alone - a country of over a billion inhabitants - but constitute the largest South Asian ethnic group in Canada. There are more Hindus in Canada but Hinduism is not a monolithic ethnic group, boasting adherents from several countries aside from India though Indian immigrants do compose most of those numbers. Sikhs are almost exclusively Punjabi.

It's a move and a choice that many Indians immigrating to the GTA are making, according to the new census data released yesterday. In 2006, India surpassed China as the number one source of immigrants settling in Toronto. About 77,800 immigrants came from India, and 17.4 per cent settled in the Toronto metropolitan area. The number of foreign-born residents in Brampton grew by 59 per cent between 2001 and 2006, according to the latest census data.

"For Indians, Brampton is Canada," said Ahmed Iqbal, the executive director of Brampton Multicultural Community Centre, which serves 11,000 immigrants a year, the majority from India. "They have heard about it and they know that it is a place where people `look like us,'" he said.

Note how he can express that sentiment and escape any accusations of racism yet if you are white you better run for the hills.

If they choose Brampton because it is a place where people "look like us" then why did they leave India where everyone looks like them? This says a lot about Indian immigration. They prefer to live and work among their own but care to enjoy all the benefits of living in a country such as Canada. They don't really care about Canada but care more about what they can get out of living in Canada. They want to live in India among Indians but they also want to enjoy the social achievements of western countries, something India still has a long way of achieving if it can do it at all. Thus, in parasite like fashion they colonize parts of Canada like Indian immigrants - primarily of Punjabi origin - are doing to Brampton.

However they don't seem to realize or care that someone was already living where they settled. They don't seem to care that the cultural and ethnic transformations they bring to a community or region displaces the host population, making them strangers in their own land. But this is advantageous to them because it makes the colonization of the area all the more complete. Who wants to deal with "the natives" anyway? I don't want my kids socializing with people other than their own. They might fill their heads with crazy ideas like assimilating into Canadian society and we didn't move to Canada to become Canadian. Who does?

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Anonymous said...

Hello,

You know what.....I am a South Asian in the US wanting to immigrate to Canada...and, unfortunately, what you say is quite true...it disappoints me to agree with you but you have nailed it. I think the dichotomy lies in the fact that, we, as Indians, want to escape the corruption and institutional suppression of our homeland but, once we get away from there, we become very misty-eyed and nostalgic.....we esp miss the food, among other things...

Sri

Anonymous said...

I am a real estate agent and 99% of the time all that I hear from my customers is get me the fuck out of Brampton.All walks of life. Their hated all over the globe tell me why.Is the whole world "racists" or are you just fucken leaches on every Country's society that allowes you to be.

Anonymous said...

It’s a great article and if I have to give my two cent then it’s soo…. TRUE. I’m not walking away from the fact but at the same time I just want to bring few other effects to your attention. I know Brampton is all about “Indians” but please gaze the facts.

Religion
Some 67.78 percent of Brampton claimed various Christian denominations. The largest was Roman Catholicism (35.11%), followed by various Protestant denominations Anglican, United Church, Lutheran, at (27.96%), while the remaining numbers of Christians (4.70%) consists mostly of the Eastern Orthodox rite. Other religions with a notable presence include Sikhism (10.63%), Hinduism (5.43%), and Islam (3.53%). More than 10 percent of the population does not identify with a particular religion.[10]
From Wiki
As you see it’s not all about Sikhism, Still majority of the population is White. majority of Immigrants who come to Canada either comes as a skilled laborer or Investors. In Brampton majority of Indians comes as an Investors. They bring in bundle of cash and as soon as they come in to the country, they either buy a business or a house. There is no mortgage for them, it’s all paid off, unless like us, like others. If you look around all the local businesses are owned by an Indian. Brampton is one of the fastest budding city in Canada, why? This is because these collection of people contributing heavily into the economy. That is the reason it’s growing!! Period!!
People mentioned earlier that they only obtain improvement from Western Society and benefit from others. This is so not factual.. South Asians and habitually Punjabis donates and throw in a lot to the community. They just denote a big amount to “Brampton Civic Hospital”. There are lot of “Good” things they do for the community and we don’t get to take notice of them.
I lived in various different parts of Canada and now in Brampton, It’s very multicultural and attractive multihued city. Most of the north is clean, affluent and cultured.
Rest of the Skilled immigrates do work in Toronto and they do take the morning “GO” Train and Bus every day. You have to live here to deem it.
Did you ever ask yourself WHY they are like this? --- because they might be shy.. probably “that” diminutive bunch may have communication problem ..perhaps they are ignored by others, that’s the grounds they choose to stick together!!! Who knows .. ask yourself!!
Cheers!!
Proud Resident of Brampton, Canada

Anonymous said...

I disagree with the population of Sikhs in Canada. The Sikh popultion has already surplused 443,000 because there are many people who are not counted in the census because there are not citzens. There are about 600,000 Sikhs in 2006 and Punjabi is the fourth most spoken language in Canada after English, French, and Chinese.

Anonymous said...

vomit

Anonymous said...

they have no mortgages because there is a village living in a single home

ProudSouthAsianCanadian said...

I wonder if the white colonists realised there was already someone living here before they rapes and pillaged the Aboriginals land? Guess who are strangers in their own land today? Aboriginal Canadians, racist white settlers carried an all out slaughter and genocide on the Aboriginal Canadians. And they most certainly did not want to deal with the “natives anyways”. I cannot believe the level of ignorance that exists within this country, it makes me ill. Your logic makes no sense about immigrants here, pick up a book an educate yourself before you hit the keyboard!

Anonymous said...

I grew up in Brampton in the 50s and 60s. It was a nice place to live. Ruralish, nice homes, prosperous areas and less prosperous areas. I attended Central Peel Secondary School and graduated before going on to University. It was a great place to grow up in. Safe, clean, but still lots to do. A couple of months ago I went back, a walk down memory lane. It is now a slum. It is swamped with low cost apartments and houses, the gardens look like outdoor toilets and if you closed your eyes and listened, you would think you were in Calcutta. All over the world, and I have worked in many countries, Indians do the same. Sure, a few are well educated, this is uaually the first wave. Their family, relatives and offspring dont usually have the same credentials (assuming the original ones arent fake, which so many are). They bring all their issues, corruption, scams etc. with them. Europe, the Middle East and now Australia are regretting letting the first one into their countries. It is to late for Canada, the USA is now going through the same experience.

PaxCanadiana said...

I wonder if the white colonists realised there was already someone living here before they rapes and pillaged the Aboriginals land?

And when South Asians started showing up did they not notice the same thing?

So whites arrive and rape and pillage the land then South Asians arrive to reap the rewards. How does that not make South Asians complicit to the crime?

Guess who are strangers in their own land today? Aboriginal Canadians, racist white settlers carried an all out slaughter and genocide on the Aboriginal Canadians.

And who are making Canadians feel like strangers in Canada today?

If Canadians carried an all out slaughter and genocide on the Aboriginal Canadians, which isn't supported by Canadian history (try opening up a Canadian history book), how is your presence in this country and reaping its rewards, and that of all South Asians in this country not condoning that act?

Do you really want to use the aboriginal card because doing so you expose yourself to be a hypocrite. You justify your presence in this country by saying that since white settlers came here and settled indigenous lands than South Asians can as well. It's an endorsement of colonialism and if I'm not mistaken doesn't South Asia have a history of being colonized? Why is colonizing Canada a good thing but it was a bad thing for India?

You then moral grand stand against the alleged injustices committed against the indigenous people of this country by the founding European settlers but have no problem feeding off the fruits of the society and country they built.

ProudSouthAsianCanadian? How about ConfusedSouthAsianCanadian. Indeed that is more fitting. How can you be South Asian and Canadian at the same time, it makes no sense?

Anonymous said...

Touche`, Pax!

I'm a little late reading "Proud South Asian Canadian's" post, but your argument line was almost identical to my own upon reading his/her easily demolished debating points.

The "religious" angle is secondary to the race issue for me, only because of our racist "employment-equity" programs that demand White Canadians take a back seat on our own "bus", so to accommodate a foreign vis-min into receiving special treatments... and always at OUR expense.

Those regressive policy points have essentially declared war on White Canadians in our own damn country!

India (South Asia) have a stringent class system where people described as the "untouchables" (Dalits) who wallow in the bottom portion of their third-world society.

Here in our own country, white Canadians are brainwashed into accepting a 2nd or 3rd tier in the pecking order that could now describe us as the new "untouchables".

Paul Roberts describes the affirmative-action intent quite well...HERE

Anonymous said...

I'm a Black person ( who is PROUDLY Canadian!!!! :)) living in Brampton and I feel even more out of place now than ever before! In My neighbourhood there are SIX white families and THREE black families ( and when I say neighbourhood I'm referring to a collection of drives,crescents courts and such that contain about 500 houses give or take a few)

I know these numbers because well the white families and black families are friends lol any way it is terribly annoying that when I want to take my little brother to the park there are over 50 south asians there chanting and singing in their language and clapping and dancing in circles on the playground. I mean that may be ok in India or even in the privacy of your own backyard but seriously to inconvenience the other 9 families who are not from your culture is just unfair. Brampton is not little india! if you move to a country it should NOT be your expectation that the country will change for you I mean It is now politically incorrect to have "christmas trees" in government building in a traditionally christian country? I doubt that if a BILLION christians moved to a sikh, muslim, or hindu country there will be ANY changes to the religious influences of that country. Every MP for my area is South asian and hmmm let's just think at what population they would be more likely to serve? They come to this country and LEACH to get ahead and once they are what do they do? give back? NO! they sponsor and hire more of their people. Ive seen so many jobs offered to punjabi's only or sikhs only last time I checked being a driving school secretary didnt require a person to be from a certain part of the world only! India is obviously incapable of supporting its 1 BILLION inhabitats so why not spring their issues on the rest of the world one "COLONY" at a time? The government shouldn't be bending over backwards to accomodate them rather THEY should be making the efforts to assimilate into the traditions and cultures of their new country! Learn english, and our customs (is no one friendly in india because when I say hi to an older person walking down my street they look at me like i'm insane! maybe they don't understand but they should right? this is CANADA after all) I am by no means racist but I can spot a bad deal when I see it! the government needs stricter immigration policies actually they just need to ask the question " how will you and your family benefit Canada and Canadians?" and not just the extension of your country you have created in mine! Call me a racist if you want but next time you visit the hospital with a broken limb and are subject to a THREE HOUR WAIT because a bunch of brown ppl have "coughs" u will want them the heck outta here too! this is canada, People get Colds take some Buckley's and GET OVER IT Sheesh!

Anonymous said...

I'm a Brampton resident.
Wow, a lot of good comments.
I must ask the previous blogger of August 16th, as much as I agree with much of what you say, are you really black? Nothing worse than a white guy faking his race for credibility -- it does happen.
I myself am English Canadian with ancestors back to the 1800s in British Columbia. I am have a small degree of aboriginal ancestry as well. My great great grandmother was my most recent full blood Native person, a daughter of a Lillooet chief.
PaxCanadia, your response to ProudSouthAsianCanadian was excellent and accurate.
Fact is, European Canadians have been in Canada for hundreds of years and, whatever mistakes have been made, primarily lead in the development of Canada.
Other groups, such as the Indians and Chinese, made contributions historically but should NOT expand in the the millions at the expense of the other established communities who primarily built the nation. That we live in times where I have to even assert this is absurd.
Some facts: Did you know that the Ontario provincial growth plan provides for 3.9 million new immigrants between 2006-2031 in the Golden Horseshoe? Did you know that Canada's immigration levels nearly tripled in 1990 and for the first time in Canadian history have been sustained at high levels for 20 years? Did you know that Canada has the highest immigration levels in the world and DOUBLE the USA, per capita: 250,000/a? Did you know that the vast majority of immigrants are not "diverse" at all but from India, China, and the Phillipines?? We are facing the ethnic transformation of Canada, and the media and politicans will not discuss it seriously.
The solution: get interested, learn, and get active. BELIEVE in your own culture and ASSERT the rights of traditional cultures of Canada to prevail in their OWN communities. Do NOT blame the immigrant communities but he Immigration Industry that pushes for it.

Anonymous said...

TOLERANCE PEOPLE!

Italians in Woodbridge
Polish in Mississauga
Blacks at Jane and Finch
Chinese in Markham
Jews on Bathurst

and yes... Indians in Brampton

sooner people get over the fact that it is not what your background is, but tolerance for others, the better the planet will be.
do you really think that in 20-50 years, people will give a rats ass where your from? No, but what they will care about is our reasourses, our taxes, our pensions, and the economy of this great country!rather it is the Canadian Government who has "no bounds" in the "helping of humanity" by allowing "refugee status" as a guarantee in this TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE!

Everybody just check themselves, their kids and family and realllllly think for a minute!

Richard

Anonymous said...

Richard,
I totally get your call for tolerance. Believe me, I'm a very liberal person as well. And I get your list of minority communities in the GTA and it is true that Indians in Brampton are really just another community. It is unfair to single a group out because of race, and a common mistake.
But it seems you didn't think through my post very clearly. Look at those stats again; the majority of immigrants are but from 3 countries -- Indian, China, and the Phillipines. Most of the communties you mention are barely represented. As the decades progress, Canada's is going to become increasingly less European and more and more Eastern in culture. Again, 3.9 million new immigrants in the GTA alone by 2031 who do not represent the primary culture of Canada as we know it.
Background does matter insofar as it changes the culture of a nation. Most countries of the world have assimilation as official policy. Canada has multiculteralism. Most countries have selection processes that favour immigrants from places with cultures similar to their own. ie. Sweden. But we in Canada consider that "racist" so we took Britain and Europe off most favoured nation status in the 1960s. We Canadians are the oddballs in the world when it comes to immigration policy, yet we treat anyone within the nation who challenges the status quo as though they are the ones who are oddballs.
We need to slow the pace of immigration to reasonable levels well below 100,000 and balance it out to include people from Europe again, such as from the former communist countries who do in fact apply a great deal. This will greatly balance the intake and give the country time to absorb the incoming people.
By the way, most the countries involved in WWII also have a babyboom gen. and labour shortgage -- none relied on immmigration like us to deal with it. Think about it.
WE are the oddballs.
By the way, check ImmigrationWatch.com
(just one I found)

who cares said...

so..i didnt read every comment but i got the just of it. Growing up in brampton, I didnt realize to the extent how many south asians there were, until every plaza that was beside my home started to look unfamiliar. No longer could I go to the small grocery, because it had changed to an "indian grocery" and i didnt know what the fuk anything was. Or the place I could rent movies, instead every movie was in a different language. so it stared to really piss me off. Although i do live in brampton everytime i need to shop i have to get the fuk out of it. No offense seriously, there are alot of nice south asian people, but when your culture is pushing out every other culture in the damn city, its not right. It been taken over. Majority of my friends live in Toronto, and till this day they cant believe why I am still in brampton, they hate it, they make fun and its horrible..this is where i grew up and its been taken away. For fuk sakes. I fuking hate brampton and im moving finally!!! india is a shit whole ..and soon brampton will be too. God sakes..there are so many cities in Canada, and you all choose one? and its not like your culture is the easiest to work with. I worked at a recreation center when i was younger..and let me tell you. Many south asians like the change rules to things. fuk man BRAMPTON IS GOING DOWNHILL I DONT GIVE A FUK ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY. "and who ever said that shit about the natives being here before and shit..get off the fuking site wikipedia..go read so more books" fuking prick. brampton is a shit whole..and will continue that way. when you cant even go to the library and take out a book without smelling like curry ...THERE IS A PROBLEM. PEACE!

Anonymous said...

Indians are disliked throughout the world. They are not trusted. They are not considered good workers (despite the PR campaign) but lazy, and they play the race card whenever their shortfalls are surfaced. They cant fix India, it is to dysfunctional, to corrupt, to poor, to many people, to racist etc. so they prey on Western cultures where the infrastructures are in place and laws protect them from the very racism that they bring. No one wants Indians, but given the inability of Western countries to deny them entry and given the numbers that have slithered all over the world, it is to late. Just pray and hope you never need them for your defence, your job or any other help. They are only focused on their individual wealth, no view to the community or future. Just buying that used Mercedes now.

Anonymous said...

When I grew up in Brampton, it was mostly white kids. Now my daughter goes to school and she is the only white kid in her class. I don't like this change. Should we move?

Anonymous said...

Indian's are model immigrants..check out this article: http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/sep2006/sb20060913_157784.htm

Anonymous said...

I'm posting because I brought to this site from a friend who used your site as a reference point in discussing immigration issues in Canada and Metro Toronto in particular.

He claims to be Canadian, Open Minded, Anti-Bush, Anti-Right Wing, ect... From what I gather you have the same beliefs.

With this being the case I thought I express some concerns with your argument. First up you’re taking this article out of context the article has nothing to do with a problem of Indians moving to Brampton but that there is an issue with info structure because the population has drastically increased over the past few years.

Your argument about the immigrants coming to Canada has nothing to do on who we will accept but on who is applying. No Europeans will immigrate to Canada because they’re all EU citizens now so they can choose to move to Spain, Germany, Greece, or France which currently provide a better lifestyle options then Canada.

Immigration is based on people leaving a place they don't like and coming to a place they think will be better for their family in the future. First that was England, France, Germany then it was Americans White & Black then from Italy, Portugal, Ireland, Poland and Caribbean’s. Right now these countries are Russia, India, China and other East Asians. Next it will be Africans, Arabs, Kurds, and after that it depends on political landscape of the World and who is willing to drop everything they have to try for something better elsewhere.

As Canadians we hope the children of these New Canadians develop appreciation for where they come from as well as being able to blend in with everyone else around them. Which I feel as an experiment this has been successful and makes Canadians different than any other person in the World because of our open mindedness.

I can guarantee all readers of this site family came from somewhere that wasn't Canada so these people in this case East Indian are in the exact same shoes as your relatives were and I'm also guessing when your family migrated here they choose to move to a community where people like them live.

So my advice if you don't want to look like a bunch of right wing idiots you get off your immigration high horse and just accept others and allow them the same opportunities you were given in life.

And if you don't like it I'm sure other country will except you moving there instead maybe even Sweden :)

PaxCanadiana said...

...there is an issue with info structure because the population has drastically increased over the past few years.

It's because of Indian (read Punjabi) immigration. It's also an assimilation issue and the demands an uninvited colonizing people are having on the host society as implied by the post title.

No Europeans will immigrate to Canada because they’re all EU citizens now so they can choose to move to Spain, Germany, Greece, or France which currently provide a better lifestyle options then Canada.

That's absurdly untrue. Greece had to be bailed out and is economically unstable as well as Ireland, Portugal, and Spain. In fact Spain is trying to pay its immigrants to leave. The U.K. witnessed massive cuts to its public workforce and social programs and tuition rates have sky-rocketed. Coupled with its typical high cost of living many U.K. citizens are emigrating, so much so to equal those immigrating. You're off your rocker to think no European citizen wants to immigrate.

Canada's immigration system has been politicized by race conscious special interest groups. Any shift towards European immigration will be castigated as racist thus guaranteeing the steady inflow of Indian and Chinese immigrants. Because race doesn't matter you understand.

Immigration is based on people leaving a place they don't like and coming to a place they think will be better for their family in the future.

That may be true in the past but not necessarily true today. Social status and asset acquisition is what is driving much Asian immigration to Canada. These immigrants are not wanting in their countries. Many of them are well off even by Canadian standards but come to Canada for more. Greed drives them here, not poverty.

Which I feel as an experiment this has been successful...

What are you basing that conclusion on if the experiment is not over? What if it fails will you take responsibility?

...makes Canadians different than any other person in the World because of our open mindedness.

You mean the Danish, Swedes, or Australians are not open minded? Pat yourself on the back much?

I can guarantee all readers of this site family came from somewhere that wasn't Canada...

And if we go back further then we're all Africans so when did we stop being African, if ever?

...so these people in this case East Indian are in the exact same shoes as your relatives were...

What you've done is conflate East Indian immigration into the colonizer/settler narrative which means they are just as guilty of "stealing indigenous lands" as the Europeans who proceeded them. That's an argument for colonialism. So if it's bad when Europeans colonize India why is it good when East Indians colonize Canada which was built on "stolen lands"?

And if you don't like it I'm sure other country will except you moving there instead maybe even Sweden

Are you joking? What's happening here is happening in Sweden. It's gotten so bad there that in some parts of Malmo Swedes don't feel welcome. Jews are leaving Malmo becuause they are being chased out by large numbers of Muslim immigrants.

It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. You should read this blog more often.

Anonymous said...

Hello,

I am an immigrant as well, of south asian descent, but from South America.

Yes, Brampton has changed and you see more south asians than other cultures here. I have no problems with living in a city where there are different people, however, i do have a problem with their work ethics. As a real estate agent, I come in contact with many of them, they pump you for information, then they lie and generally want everything for nothing.
Unfortunately, I have found that there are only a few you can trust.

As one of the previous poster noted, we hope that their children will appreciate what we have here in this great country and respect other cultures and don't keep their heads in the sand, pretenting that they are the only people around.
PS: my children hates brampton...because of this.

Anonymous said...

I am CANADIAN. I was born here. I was taught to be grateful for everything in our beautiful country. I was reminded that not everyone had the great honour of living in such an incredible country. I was taught to work hard; to care for my neighbours; to be honest and to be responsible for all that I do. I was taught a love for my country, not the country of my ancestors. I am sick to death of people demanding that we allow them to have THEIR RIGHTS, THEIR WAYS while demanding that we relinquish our own. I am sick of hearing about the fraud, the dishonsety, the lack of respect for Canadian culture. Honour killings? And when a little girl is murdered the mother says....I thought he was only going to break her arm????? What barbaric nightmare have we woken up in?? We welcomed everyone with open arms only to hear I DEMAND, GIVE ME THIS or THAT, YOU SHOULD DO THIS AND SHOULD NOT DO THAT. Give them their way because we are all too polite to deny anyone anything. As with all things that are given away too easily...there is no respect..no appreciation. How do some repay our kindness and our unfortunate naive acceptance? I am truly disgusted. Differences are great...but do not demand that I change. This is my home and how dare anyone make me feel like I don't belong here!

Anonymous said...

Hello,
I'm a Canadian born high school student and unfortunately, have to agree with some of the comments made.

I have Sikh friends who are very nice so I don't always get the impression many get by them (except when it comes to the old people). However, I do find it very annoying when they constantly speak their language knowing that others like me (I'm African-Canadian) can't understand, even when you tell them to not do it. And sometimes it just feels like you don't belong because they all understand each other such as when they say "Oh yeah, brown parents can be so..." and brown this and brown that. It can also be very intimidating when your the only black person in your class, and now, i don't even see white people anymore, they must have been smart and left a while ago. We can be a diverse society, but its a bad sign when a certain race is represented in a certain area only.

I'm not a racist person, it just becomes difficult when you live around the same people everyday and see the same things.

However, I think we should all look past them as a whole and get to know individuals because they are not all the same, some actually have different values believe it or not.

Anyway, years from now it will be another race overpowering Canada and we'll forget about the East Indians, just give it time.

Besides, Canada's goal was to be a diverse country right? Too bad that because of that there is nothing that represents a Canadian besides the word "multicultural."

Anonymous said...

Whites colonized/tortured other countries in the past...now White countries are being colonized by coloured people. Karma is truly a b**** eh?

Anonymous said...

Why do Indians always point out that the Europeans who came to Canada were also immigrants. This is true, but they were not lazy Indian immigrants. They took risks, built an infrastructure and worked hard in blue collar jobs. Indians dont do this. Indians also complain about immigration difficulties. Try moving to the slum called India. They are hypocrites. They come to North America to take advantage of the laws, lifestyle and welfare. They are not an asset. With huge families, many on welfare, many sharing the same house, turning neighbourhoods into slums, harrassing white girls and with the corruption that is endemic in their communities, they really are a liability. Most countries know this and dont want them.

PaxCanadiana said...

Whites colonized/tortured other countries in the past...now White countries are being colonized by coloured people.

So two wrongs make a right?

If colonialism was bad when it was being done to "coloured people" then why is it not wrong when "coloured people" do it to white countries?

And isn't Canada founded on indigenous land, once predominately occupied by a "coloured people". So we have a "coloured people" invading and occupying a land once dominated by a "coloured people".

It appears colonialism is not such a bad thing if you're the one benefiting from it. Am I right?

PaxCanadiana said...

Why do Indians always point out that the Europeans who came to Canada were also immigrants.

It's meant to conflate the two groups into one, long immigration narrative as if there is no difference between the initial European founder/settlers and the next South Asian who walks off a plane at Pearson International Airport tomorrow.

The fact is that there is a difference. Canada was founded on European culture and was defined by it. Out of European settlement arose a domestic host society that came to be know as Canada and its people called Canadians; a separate identity from Europe while retaining some commonalities.

Most immigrant groups today and their Canadian born offspring have no claim to Canadian foundational history and, aside from some over emphasized footnotes, are absent from it. So they try to give themselves a part in Canada's foundational history by calling the first European settlers immigrants. And since immigrants today are also immigrants then they to are part of this ongoing foundational history.

The reality is Canada was settled a long time ago and a host society was established. If immigrants today have anything in common with the European settlers of the past it is that they are moving to a society dissimilar from their, laying claim to it and forcing it to change to accommodate them. They are, in behaviour, not immigrants but colonizers of an indigenous territory just like the Europeans before them.

Anonymous said...

I must say it has been eye-opening to read this blog as I have felt what many of you have blogged about as a Brampton resident for the past 25 years. I too have seen it become more and more saturated with south Asians- and like some of you mentioned, my problem is not with them as a people-as I am the offspring of immigrants too, but with their blatant disregard for Canadian culture (or lack there of as some of you mentioned) I mean the whole point of immigrating to another country is to have a better life and try to adopt the culture of that new country you are moving to. What has happened in Brampton is that many south Asians have immigrated here and tried to turn it into a "little India" which in turn has alienated non-south Asian community members-thus creating resentment and an obvious distain. As far as work ethics, working in the Education field, I do see both sides of the coin as I come into contact with many south-Asian students and parents. I can honestly say that there are some that are truly hard workers and will no doubt be an asset to the Canadian work force, however what seems to be the drawback is many have parents/more so, grandparents who live in ignorance and speak of things like get your education here build wealth and then leave or just immigrate more family members. The mentality seems to be one of having a few prosper to support a mass of generally unproductive relatives and family members. On the immigration side, much of this is due to fraud which is now being looked heavily into-as one of my friends, who works for CIC shared with me. There are talks of having a medical screen for immigrants both with they complete their papers abroad and then again when they first are granted entry into Canada, (in Canada by a CIC official medical doctor). What is happening is many immigrants are (through corruption) getting faked health screens which give them a clean bill of health while the truth of the matter is they have all sorts of ailments - (i.e. liver disease, kidney problems, cancer, etc..) So this new initiative would eliminate this type of fraud by enforcing another health check in Canada by an authorized CIC official-so immigrants who are deemed as “unfit” medically are turned back to their countries of origin-instead of being granted residency and then left to abuse Canada's health care system.
Overall, I am dismayed that Brampton has become what it has, Culture is meant to be celebrated not distained however, when you have one particular cultural group take over another-this is what results - resentment and ultimately, racism. I feel that we should all live together-as what another blogger said with Tolerance-however it is a 2 way street and if those who are newcomers to Canada wish to assimilate successfully they need to adopt an attitude of integration not segregation - the sad thing is I feel that many south Asians in Brampton do not even realize how they segregate themselves until it's too late and they wonder why they get the dirty looks and why no one wishes to "know" them or their "culture". Again, it's always a few individuals that make it hard for the group and I am sure that there are south Asians who feel the same, however becomes of some who have alienated themselves, unfortunately, they all have been “pigeon holed”. My hope is to see a more "mixed" Brampton in the future where there is an equal scattering of many different cultures represented in not only people but businesses. IT will require a willingness of newcomers to embrace INTEGRATION and those already here to practice TOLERANCE

Anonymous said...

This is the truth. Brampton has turned into a shithole lately. We might as well rename it Little India. My frickin neighbours are all fobbish and rude. Not to mention they don't even clean their yard or backyard or anything of the sort. My neighbourhood looks disgusting because of them. Yes, the neighbourhood is comprised of around 97% Indians. Everyone who isn't has moved out a long time ago. Then to make matters worse, these people actually have at least 4 families living in one house. What the hell? Oh yea, the smell. Why can't they keep that shit in their own house? There is no need to open your windows to let the whole neighbourhood smell curry. It's DISGUSTING! I want to get out of Brampton!!!

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Anonymous said...

The reason so many East Indians are there is because there are too many people in their own country and the people that are there are fed up being in the situation they are in. The Caste system meant that the upper echelons could exist on the backs of the lower caste. We don't want to become the lower caste. Either they assimilate or disperse. It's time for the people of Canada to stop selling real estate to these people. Let them reap their just rewards and live in the filth they created in their own country. Too many of them are scam artists.

Anonymous said...

It is strange that you dont like an Indian in Brampton, or for that matter a Chinese or Philipino; but you dont mind recieving doles from your own government which come out of pockets of these immigrants.

250,000 immigrants per year dont only represent a problem that your culture is dissappearing; they also represent over 1 BILLION dollars that your government recieves as direct fees and charges from these people (remember not every applicant is succesful, but every one pays the fee). So before you complaint of the LEECHES and blame your government, start working hard enough to sustain your living :)

Oh, and by the way, how would it matter if 250,000 people still landed into Canada per year, but not in disproportionate ratios from these three countries? Isnt it a weak argument to maintain white supremacism in the garb of multi-ethnicity?

Anonymous said...

Ihave been living in Brampton for about 30 years now, an have seen the changes first hand. I am not racist in anyway, someone mention their contributions to the new hospital and I must agree they did contribute a lot of money for a reason, they wanted to run the hospital and have business in there, these people don't do something or nothing there is always a hiding agenda behind the actions, an another thing is they are advantage of the systems such as walfare retirements that allows them to bring their elderly parents here and claim for retirement when they have never worked here or contributed to the retirement funds, they will go back and forth between India and canada, then their children will collect retirement funds an keep it so they can get further ahead. this is all wrong an the government is allowing them to bleed the system. they will also claim walfare an pretend to be working leaving early in the morning with lunch kits in hand to go hang with friends at the mall to fool their neighbors. this is one reason in the last couple of election I spoil my votes. They government need to change a lot of things.

PaxCanadiana said...

It is strange that you dont like an Indian in Brampton, or for that matter a Chinese or Philipino; but you dont mind recieving doles from your own government which come out of pockets of these immigrants.

250,000 immigrants per year dont only represent a problem that your culture is dissappearing; they also represent over 1 BILLION dollars that your government recieves as direct fees and charges from these people


The Fraser Institute did a study that concluded that immigrants cost Canadians more in taxes each year than contribute to the tune of billions of dollars.

If that is not good enough for you than how about immigrants removing over 2 billion dollars a year from the Canadian economy in the form or remittances to their home countries.

You were saying something about leeches?

I don't object to Indians or Chinese or Filipinos as a people but I do object to so many of them being in Canada and coming to Canada at such large numbers. This ceases to be immigration and becomes colonialism.

how would it matter if 250,000 people still landed into Canada per year, but not in disproportionate ratios from these three countries? Isnt it a weak argument to maintain white supremacism in the garb of multi-ethnicity?

All 250,000 could come from Russia and it would still be too many and too many from a single source. The main problem is too many immigrants in the queue.

Canada was founded by European cultures and it should maintain this. This is our culture and heritage. Other cultures should not be encouraged to maintain their alien identities at the expense of Canada's. There is no danger of Indian or Chinese or Filipino cultures disappearing so its not imperative that they should be preserved here. But Canada's foundational identity is disappearing, being destroyed, by each new planeload of third world immigrants.

If you have a problem with Canada being white majority then I suggest you move to a country where you shade of skin colour is. If this doesn't satisfy you then it's probably because Canada has so much to offer you and you want to live off the benefits of the country like, you know, a leech. Good on you, but don't demand white Canadians to embrace a future minority status just to make yourself more comfortable here. There are plenty of non-white majority countries to live in. Canada should not be turned into yet another one.

Anonymous said...

Hi,Ive been living in a Indian house for over a year,they are bigtime liars and only care about money and themselves,trust me,cant wait to get the fuck out.you guys are so right.

Anonymous said...

they think they are better than everyone else witch makes them believe they have a right to do what they are doing

Anonymous said...

Wow... This blog is very much needed. Canada needs to get it's head out of the sand. I live in Brampton, and I can categorically say, by witnessing and experiencing it firsthand, that Canada does not benefit from the rampant, overwhelming immigration it is subjecting itself to. Brampton is the canary in the deep pit of a mineshaft to nowhere that is Canadian demographics as determined by our immigration policies. The only benefit I get from living in Brampton is that I can speak from knowledge and experience to say Wake Up Canada! You are being taken over and you don't seem to appreciate that this is NOT a good thing for you and more importantly your children and theirs. And why are we letting in immigrants' parents and grand parents? If immigration is to bring skilled workers or at least even just workers, then bringing in seniors doesn't meet that need does it? It is a burden on our society though. Oh, that's right! Lots of votes to be had with that policy. Wanna know who brought that policy in? Mulroney... Corrupt traitor. I have a lot more to say, but in time. Why do I stay in Brampton? Partly because I sense it pisses off the immigrants who seem to think it's their town now, and partly I just don't want to give in. But it is getting harder every year as the place becomes ever more like a slum from "back home".

Anonymous said...

Hello,
I am an Indo-Canadian born in Canada, living in Brampton. I dont appreciate white people, I consider them "white trash" and can not wait for the rest of them to leave my city and run to Barrie or some other Honkey Magget invested shit hole. I am not alone in my beliefs and more and more of my people are populating Canada and making it our own daily. The reason why we choose Brampton is because its close to the Airport, its named by the British, and we appreciate how similar the land is to the north of India. A lot of us do not appreciate "white trash" or "niggers" unfortunately they exist and we will either have to chase them out or get their daughters pregnant so they can mix in with out prejudice. It bothers me to see children of "white trash" playing in my park next to my kids and learning in the same schools, they should find their own city to segregate in.

PaxCanadiana said...

Hello,
I am an Indo-Canadian born in Canada, living in Brampton. I dont appreciate white people...


I spy with my little eye something that looks like a troll.

Anonymous said...

Taki Mag's Jim Goad on multiculturalism:

... You don’t see such sensitivity training being forced upon anyone in Africa, Asia, the Middle East, or South America. You don’t hear China, Japan, or Israel being lectured to swing open their doors to foreigners. Almost exclusively, multiculturalism is a psychological marketing program designed for majority-white countries. Often, it is sold with the idea that whites are paying a historic debt, are reaping what they’ve sown, that what goes around comes around, that the wheel has turned full-circle, the chickens are coming home to roost, and that it’s time to pay the swarthy piper his due.

Country by country, continent by continent, there’s a sense that the newer, darker arrivals are receiving preferential treatment over those who’ve been there for generations. In the UK, it’s called “Positive Discrimination.” In America, it’s called “affirmative action” and “amnesty.” And across every border where whites are a majority, there’s a creeping sense that politicians don’t give a f*ck about how they feel. They never asked for these new waves of immigrants, and they had no choice in this odd social-engineering experiment that’s demolishing whatever they used to share as a common culture.

Suddenly, this doesn’t seem so much like a celebration of all cultures as it does punishment of a specific culture. And that doesn’t sound like such a swell recipe for having everyone get along.

We’ll be continually reminded that European satellite nations such as Canada, the USA, and Australia were settled atop indigenous skulls, so the land-grabbing descendants of those race-murderers have no right to whine about being gradually wiped out themselves by newcomers.

Once again, for Christ’s sake, whether he’s dead or alive: Two wrongs don’t make a right. If colonialism was wrong then, it’s wrong now. Multiculturalism is merely colonialism with a prettier name. I realize and concede the fact that it awards us with a dazzling array of ethnic restaurants unparalleled in their tastiness.

Under multiculturalism, we have a wider selection of food…and no one talks to anyone anymore. Many of us now speak different languages and wouldn’t even know how to talk to one another. Rather than erasing borders, multiculturalism has merely created new borders within borders. Rather than destroying nationalism, it creates mini-nations within nations.

If we’re going to push multiculturalism’s glories, shouldn’t we point out where has it worked in the past? If diversity is a strength, why did stretched-too-thin empires such as ancient Rome and the Soviet Union eventually fall from the weight of their own diversity?

Stop calling me a racist and shoot some believable answers at me. I really want to hear them.


Full article:

http://takimag.com/article/multiculturalism_is_dead_so_where_do_we_bury_the_body2/print#axzz1f9KmRWi9

Anonymous said...

I am a 16th generation white woman and Im very glad I found this site. I cannot believe how racist some of these indians are. I had to leave toronto, vancouver and now I am in ottawa and its the same thing. All my white female friends want to leave toronto, vancouver- they are mistreated by alot of the immigrants. I just finished a job where an e. indian was reverved and he did 1/4 the production I did and I am canadian. You cannot even undertand him when he speaks and he is 30 and lives with mom and dad!! That is not canadian culture. your suppose to be on your own by age 22 and independent. I miss my country every day the country we had. And another point: re the natives: not one native was killed on canadian land-alot of this was in the usa. People watch too many cowboy movies god ! Learn some history! My great-granddad worked with the natives in quebec in the starting the fur trade to europe.(we go back to 1630). I am the true canadian. Im sick of immigrants living in 1920 or before. My boyfriend has a moslem landlord and he tells him no overnight guests!Thats also not canadian culture! So we are taking him to court. He also is beating his towel head wife daily in a locked room and rending out illegal suites, not claiming taxes. And he has no respect for the white women. What alot of these cultures done understand is that the white man respects white women more than ANY MAN FROM ANY RACE OR CLASS! So please get this in your head- you treat us like second class and we wont tolerate it! And to the woman who called us white trash that is highly untrue- every race has trash. 99% of white people are very honest, loving, dedicated and stay married for life. U watch tv too much which is all madeup and untrue. I am also sick of arab men who think if your blonde your ready for action-I was harassed by e. indians in vancouver whenever my boyfriend who is iranian was out of town.He felt so blessed and honored to be with a white woman he was the envy of all his friends.

Anonymous said...

My brother is a history prof- canada is 87% christian and white. Why is it we are the majority and we have less rights than these 3rd world minorities who dont give a damn about our culture our country or our people! Then what are we going to do with the immigrants who came to canada more than 30 years ago and left all their culture behind and become US-yet they still look like them(ex chinese, italian, trinadidian)....they must feel very out of place and do not know where they belong. I also do not understand why we are bringing in thousands of immigrants who are nonwhite when we have our closest neighbors (americans) who can no longer live in their country due to terrible storms-they already speak english, are educated and are north american and share our culture- why cant they immigrant instead of the 3rd world????

Anonymous said...

You people sicken me ... there is nothing "Canadian" except for what is in the constitution, period.

Take your heads out of your asses and read it - there is no decree that the Canadian identity should be "white" or "european". Canadians all have the same rights and freedoms, that includes cultural expression. If you don't like immigrants coming to Canada and exercising their constitutional rights - YOU are not Canadian and should go elsewhere. What a bunch of right-wing nut-jobs, scared of anything that is different.

PaxCanadiana said...

Canadians all have the same rights and freedoms, that includes cultural expression.

So, if by what you're saying is that immigrants are constitutionally protected to express and preserve their cultural identity on Canadian soil then does that mean Canada's founding European cultural identity, as expressed in Canada's white majority population, is constitutionally protected to preserve itself as well?

If so, then by extension, and using your logic, Canada is constitutionally allowed to preserve is founding European cultural identity and that means fashioning an immigration system that would do that, not destroy it don't you agree?

Anonymous said...

PAX, I don't understand if your oversimplification of arguments stems from a desire to win some sort of argument or out of mere insability to understand.

How is "fashioning" an immigration system one way or another expressing European culture -- expresseing xenophobia maybe?

You can listen to british folk music, go to an anglican {or whatever} church, etc. etc. that is your choice. It is not your choice to try and curtail others' expression of their identity. This is simple constitutional law. Canada is not allowed to preserve a European culture, INDIVIDUAL CANADIANS are allowed to do so.

You are somehow trying to say that Canada's initial european aka white identity is somehow more authentic or, I fear, better than what a new immigrant/citizen might bring with them? I'm shocked you don't link to Stormfront from this page.

PaxCanadiana said...

How is "fashioning" an immigration system one way or another expressing European culture -- expresseing xenophobia maybe?

It's not about expression its about preservation. Canada is a country of European cultures shaped within a North American context. That's why we share so much with the United States since both the U.S. and Canada were founded by the same people on the same continent, facing the same challenges. There are some nuances that distinguishes Canada from the U.S. despite our many similarities. Multiculturalism and mass immigration from disparate nations that are different from Canada's founding European identity threaten to erase that identity by overwhelming it and through eventual cultural subjugation. After all, demography is destiny. Having an immigration system is one thing but having one that of which a guaranteed outcome is to change the demographic character of the nation is another. There is only one Canada and I want to preserve it.

Canada is not allowed to preserve a European culture, INDIVIDUAL CANADIANS are allowed to do so.

If individual Canadians collectively constitute Canada and they wish to keep Canada's Euro-American identity as its dominant cultural identity then I guess that means Canada - as a nation - is allowed to preserve a Euro-American culture as the dominant culture.

You are somehow trying to say that Canada's initial european aka white identity is somehow more authentic or, I fear, better than what a new immigrant/citizen might bring with them

As a matter of fact I am but that would be stating the obvious now wouldn't it. Where do non-Europeans aside from aboriginal Canadians fit into Canada's foundational history? The only role any ever played are historical footnotes at best, over-exaggerated in a CBCesque way to make them feel better about themselves. This isn't to say a Canadian citizen of non-European heritage can never be considered Canadian but it is hard to imagine a Canadian and an Asian or African face is the first that comes to mind. Try it yourself right now and see.

And seeing with how little enthusiasm Canadians have displayed in embracing the cultures of immigrants I think they have made themselves quite clear that they see little value in any culture that does not come from any western society. And I agree. Canadian society is better than anything non-western immigrants bring with them. Culturally non-western societies have little to offer us. And we simply don't care about them either. Canada is apart of western civilization and we're content with that. We don't need South Asians or Asians or Africans to culture up the place and we don't want it either. Multiculturalism is a conceit of the intellectual left; a minority view thrust upon the nation by the "out of touch" few who naturally gravitated to positions of influence and power.

Anonymous said...

Ok this is getting rediculous. Canada is a white country, and if you're not Indian or Paki you know what I mean. I can tolerate brown people as long as they go by local rules and try and basically become one with the present culture.

I don't want to say they're parasites because I do know a lot of Indian (and Chinese) families that try and play by the rules.

Close off Immigration. They messed up their own country up with overpopulation, they can't just move over and do the same thing.

Anonymous said...

By taking advantage of Canadian diplomacy or it's love and admiration for other nations, cultures and ethnicities, these urban and suburban turbanators, kum kum wearing scum and banana wielding bandits, future terrorists etc, have managed to come over here and completely take over just about every plaza and street. Even small villages and towns are being completely brought down to the ground by these ass clowns.Just who the heck do they think they are trying to whipe out our way of living, thinking and love of life. I'd sure like to teach them a lesson or two!!

Anonymous said...

Do you really think it unusual that someone from India would want to immigrate to Canada and take advantage of better economic conditions? And of course they would want to settle where they feel more comfortable. I expect nothing less from any people anywhere in the world... including white-Canadian people.

Your anger is severely misdirected. How can you blame the average person in this world for trying to improve their situation in life?

It is the job of the Canadian government to control immigration and urban planning... as well as provide the necessary social supports.

Unfortunately, the Canadian government and many 'Canadians' believe in mass immigration and unconstrained multiculturalism.

That is where your anger should lie.

As an immigrant, I firmly support huge reduction in immigration numbers. But you know where I face the most opposition to my views? It's not from fellow immigrants... many of whom welcome lower immigration as jobs are already scarce.

No, the biggest opposition comes from 'white Canadians'.

PaxCanadiana said...

Do you really think it unusual that someone from India would want to immigrate to Canada and take advantage of better economic conditions?

Do you really think it unusual that Canadians would oppose immigration that threatens to destroy the character of the country that they grew up with and came to identify with along with their standard of living?

Seeking better economic conditions for oneself is understandable. The pursuit of self-interest is human nature. But when a better life for you means a worse life for me then you're going find opposition and so far as I can tell immigration from the Asian sub-continent hasn't yielded any worthy fruit for this country and its citizens. You might be better off, as an immigrant, but the rest of us aren't by you immigrating here. Indeed, I could argue you make things worse for us.

Besides, is it not more noble to stay in India and help improve the conditions of your fellow countrymen while improving yours? What does it say about you as a person who chooses to abandon your people, who do need your help, to go and "contribute" to the well being of foreign people who are wealthy enough as is and who really don't need your help in the first place?

You also support a reduction in immigration. Why is that? It's because of self interest. Now that you're in the country you want the tap turned to down. I say the tap should have been turned down a long time ago probably before you even set foot in the country. It's self-interest after all.

Anonymous said...

I think immigrants from any country to any other country would prefer to live with people of culture similar to theirs. We all think our culture is the best and are scared of influence of alien culture on us and our family. Do you think a Canadian in China would prefer to live in a Chinese neighborhood, he/she would try to find a place where other Canadians/Whites are staying. Everyone feels secure in familiar surroundings. As regards Asian immigration to Canada, they are there because the Canadian government has allowed them to be there. Canada is still a white majority country, most of its elected representatives are white, so why not stop immigration if the immigrants do not bring anything to the table. The truth of the matter is that Canada needs these immigrants more than the immigrants needing Canada. You may call Asians lazy, but the fact is these are the hardest working people in the world and hence more and more businesses across the globe are preferring them over whites. I believe the whites are the laziest at the workplace and busiest at home, for Asians it is the other way round.

PaxCanadiana said...

I think immigrants from any country to any other country would prefer to live with people of culture similar to theirs.

Really? Then why immigrate to Canada at all if you prefer to live and work among your own? Unless, of course, immigrants have built colonies on Canadian soil of adequate size that allows them to do so. Then you're not really immigrating to Canada but to an overseas colony of China or India. You have no intention of living in Canada or being Canadian but instead live a kind of parasitic existence here. That being the case then I invite you to leave the country because those kinds of immigrants we can do without.

Do you think a Canadian in China would prefer to live in a Chinese neighborhood, he/she would try to find a place where other Canadians/Whites are staying.

Correct. Here in Toronto white Canadians avoid "ethnic neighbourhoods", particularly non-white ones like Indian or Chinese ones like the plague. The government may have allowed you live in the country but it is clear we Canadians don't want to live with you. And since many of you cluster in your own neighbourhoods as well it's clear you don't want to live with us either. So why are you here again?

Everyone feels secure in familiar surroundings.

Which is why I and many Canadians oppose the current immigration system because immigrants are turning the familiar into the unfamiliar.

As regards Asian immigration to Canada, they are there because the Canadian government has allowed them to be there. Canada is still a white majority country, most of its elected representatives are white, so why not stop immigration if the immigrants do not bring anything to the table.

The government allows them in because it uses the immigration system to court current "ethnic voters" while importing new ones. It's about votes and that's what they bring to the table for politicians. For the rest of us they bring very little of value.

The truth of the matter is that Canada needs these immigrants more than the immigrants needing Canada.

Not true. For Asians Canadian citizenship is just an asset in a stock portfolio. For Canadians Asians are just real estate speculators, corner store operators, laundromats and cleaners, nail and hair salons, grocers, and not much of else of real worth. How much of those things do we really need in this country?

You may call Asians lazy, but the fact is these are the hardest working people in the world and hence more and more businesses across the globe are preferring them over whites.

I don't call Asians lazy but I do find them selfish and tax cheaters. Were an audit done I think it would find the Asian community in this country is a drain on taxes as they cheat on them in various and creative ways. The amount of fraud perpetuated by Asians in this country is shameful if the Asian community gave a damn. As for global businesses preferring Asians over whites I doubt that, unless they are looking to be cheated in some scam or another. Fraud is rampant in international business, even more so in Asia.

RationalCanadian said...

YES THERE IS TOO MUCH IMMIGRATION. OUR LEADERS HAVE FAILED US BECAUSE THEY FAIL TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF MAXIMUM POPULATION IN CANADA. WHERE DOES IT END???

Having said that, it is patently racist to target a particular racial/ethnic group as "leaches" or "parasites". This is a disgusting way of thinking. Frankly, disporia's are around the world formed by ALL ethnic groups, not just Indians. Barbado's has Scottish Diasporia. Cyprus has English Diasporia. The list goes on and on. What would you do, should you move to an area of higher opportunity: give up your identity where you had the choice of joining a community like you????

Better to think of Brampton as a Port City. The first generation arrives and remains; young first gens and second and third gens move out into the broader society. Many cities in Canada started out this way, Ukrainian, German, Irish, etc. Today places like Waterloo are indistinguishable from the rest of Candada.

The issue isn't Brampton or Indians. The issue is the broader national policy. Keep it in perspective.

So can your Panic Button and Stuff the Racism. Yes, there must be more open debate, objectivity, and consensus around limits. But singling out one group is never justifiable and only strengthens the Extreme Multicultural cause.

PaxCanadiana said...

YES THERE IS TOO MUCH IMMIGRATION

And you forgot to add too much from too few source countries. This is a problem because it has a colonizing effect and Brampton serves as one example of many. We take in more immigrants from India, and China for that matter, than is warranted and immigration from those countries should be scaled back dramatically to counter the colonizing effects of mass immigration from those nations.

It will also provide more diversity in the immigration system instead of this apparent favouritism of Asians. Even immigrants from south America, Europe, and Africa complain about the excess immigration from Asia thinking they were immigrating to Canada and not an apparent Asian colony.

Better to think of Brampton as a Port City.

If that makes you feel better about yourself. But it's a colony, a Sikh colony to be more precise and the problem is too many Indians in the immigration queue as there are Chinese. Toronto used to have one Chinatown. Now it has four; there are two in Toronto, a growing one in Markham and a smaller one in Mississauga. This doesn't sound like a people interested in integrating does it? This wouldn't be so if we didn't allow too many Chinese nationals to immigrate.

As for references to "leeches" and "parasites" I will admit the use of those words are harsh but admitting so shouldn't detract from the fact that many immigrants view Canada as nothing more than an ATM machine and a shopping mall. They have very little interest in integrating and preserving what is uniquely Canadian. They often denigrate us Canadians for a lack of an apparent culture and I find this insulting.

Besides, I do find it parasitic to immigrate to Canada, often by fraudulent means, and park the family here to take advantage of a tax payer subsidized education system. And to import the aged parents and dump them onto our public health care system while lobbying to reduce the residency requirement to qualify for OAS so they can use their parents as another source of income. This, all the while doing what one can do to avoid paying taxes to support the systems one so enthusiastically wants to take advantage of, indeed feel entitled to now that you're a "Canadian." If you don't think this parasitic behaviour is not going on within particular immigrant communities then you are grossly naive.

Anonymous said...

Strange isn't it. If I told my son "you can only marry a white girl" I'm a bigot and a racist and apt to be arrested for violating Canada's anti-discrimination laws. But. If I'm east Indian and tell my children they can only marry someone I choose, and that they are forbidden to marry anyone who isn't Indian...that's ok.
We aren't born racist. We're made racist one little step at a time.

Anonymous said...

the brown town the Youtube article the spanish speaking girl broadcast on youtube why did the public think that she said those things its true these Asian people have no respect for other people wherther it is in work or street where ever these Asian people sikhs they speak there lauguage with no regards if they have and other coworker of different backround some of these asians they don't try to speak english even if it;s a little they speak no english so why are they coming to Canada to live what are they contributing to the community there culture Canada already has there culture these people need to know what time it is bringing mother ,father,grandmother,grandfather who's taxes are paying for all these Asian people when they bring all these old people who can't work and getting goverment help
I'm a single mother of West Indies back round never took any goverment assistant except what I'm legally entiled too and these people bring so many family members and not doing anything and getting free money

Anonymous said...

zeesh!!!!

God! save this world.

I wont reveal my identity however will love to say few words here. I believe none of us are racist. One should never be. Having said that I have seen a white man beating her husband as well as a muslim guy beating her wife. Both should be punished. I have seen smart ass white original canadians/east imdians whooping renters ass. I guess the point is not which culture or race of people are doing bad but which individual is.

If an indian family spoils the envirnment of a park or a white canadian piss on the sidewalk....they still need to be stopped.

Fighting like kids wont tske us anywhere as humans. Today I have had lived in both white and asian dominant neighbourhoods....trust me I dont want want my kids to live near anyone one of them. a white canadian tried to molest kids and some ass kicked asian gave my kid some food by which he got a concussion. I just bought an island I am off to that place in sometime. no fucking inhuman humans. and for you folkes....take care....stop fighting please.

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Anonymous said...

Indians are disliked as immigrants all over the world. They seek out Western cultures with liberal immigration laws then move there. Some of the first immigrants start up a small business, but quickly, the family arrives from India. Quickly the welfare dependancy, the corruption, the old prejudices start to surface. Most Indians are pen pushers, Canada was started up by blue collar workers. We need blue collar workers from anywhere, not this bunch of lazy, corrupt immigrants. The USA, UK, Australia, UAE, Scandanavia and much of Africa are facing the same issues with these awful people.

Anonymous said...

Canada is a young nation and still EVOLVING. Whatever identity you're holding onto is changing so you can either feel nostalgic about the good ol' days when Canada was a majority of European settlers or GET OVER IT. In a couple hundred years people are going to associate CANADA with colored people. Try your best to reverse this influx of immigrants you already know there isn't anything you can do so why are you bitching and moaning either live in misery in brampton or get the fuck out of there. For the kind of changes you want there will have to be a revolution and all I say is bring it on.

PaxCanadiana said...

Canada is a young nation...

A four hundred year history is young? I guess you're speaking relatively because we can go back further if you want to discuss pre-Columbian North American history.

In any case it doesn't matter how old Canada is. What matters is if the changes being forced onto Canadians by mass immigration is desired.

...and still EVOLVING.

Into what? Is it something Canadians want or is it something you and a minority of people want? You have to understand Canadians gave no government the mandate to change the character of the nation through mass immigration.

Whatever identity you're holding onto is changing so you can either feel nostalgic about the good ol' days when Canada was a majority of European settlers or GET OVER IT. In a couple hundred years people are going to associate CANADA with colored people. Try your best to reverse this influx of immigrants you already know there isn't anything you can do so why are you bitching and moaning either live in misery in brampton or get the fuck out of there. For the kind of changes you want there will have to be a revolution and all I say is bring it on.

1,2,3,4 I call a race war!

Wow, spoken like a true conqueror. I'm certain the Europeans said the same thing when they were conquering and colonizing North America, South America, Africa, Asia, and all parts in between only not in those exact words but the sentiment's pretty much the same. And we know how well things worked out for the indigenous populations don't we?

It's like I've said before and will say again: colonialism's great if you're the one doing it.

Anonymous said...

Smashed em! Pax.

All these people' arguments are straight out of the CBC playbook. Canada really needs to end that Grand Indoctrinating Machine.

Anonymous said...

If Canada is really looking to diversify in a global context and the world is only approximately 10% fair skinned then wouldn't it make sense to increase the fair-skinned population?

In the spirit of Diversity and all!

Anonymous said...

This blog is aws. guys.Whoever is behind it does a great job.It would be nice and pherhaps make us feel stronger if once in a while we'll met somewhere in TO .The virtual space is not enough.

F is for eff yourself said...

Bro lay the FUCK OFF man are ypu seious thinis what the white man has come to? Talkin shit on fuckin "blogs" to let out ur feeling cuz u cant let them out outside CUZ YOU KNOW UR GET JUMPED so think maybe if u cant/shouldnt say it out there WHY THE EFF SAY IT HERE?!?! im and yes for 11 i use to rep brampton MY HOMETOWN buh nO now i had to move up north with a HUGEEE population ofwhite kids.. Does it piss me off..? Yess do i go on shitty blogs and talk shit..? Naww .. Jus protect ur white pride as i protect my brown pride AND LEAVE IT THERE... HVE A GREAT FUCKIN LIFE B
And leave it there bro.. More hates not takin out country any further an bloggin why u hate people isnt going onchange

PaxCanadiana said...

Bro lay the FUCK OFF man are ypu seious thinis what the white man has come to?

I can't read what you wrote. And I'm not kidding. Your post makes absolutely no damn sense to me. How you can you be so illiterate at your age?

I do sense a frustration that you had to leave the safe confines of your Indian colony in Brampton and moved to a town of mostly white people. And I gather this makes you feel uncomfortable.

Congratulations! Now you know how white Canadians feel having to endure hordes of mostly Asian immigrants who threaten to make them a minority in their own country. But something tells me you fail to see that and need it spelled out for you. And even if you do I doubt you care.

Perhaps instead of continuing north you should have hung a right and continued on travelling until you landed back in India where you can be around brown people all the time. Nothing is stopping you from doing that so if being around too many white people is a problem then why the hell are you here in Canada?

There is no danger of brown Indians being made a minority in India but brown Indians have no problem making others minorities in their countries (does Fiji ring a bell?). How hypocritical of you but this hypocrisy is typical of the collective mindset of the India diaspora who cannot see past their own self-interest. It's somehow bad when the Europeans colonized the Asian sub-continent and so their expulsion is something to be celebrated by south Asians. Yet, when Canadians express even a modicum of a similar resentment against the south Asian colonization of their country it's met with revulsion and chastisement by south Asians.

We get it! South Asians actually think colonialism is a good thing but only if they're the ones doing it.

Anonymous said...

if u wities are so annoyed n pissed off,,with the smell of curry etc...why dont u just moves ure asses out of here and not being crybabies.
the solution is nt to blame but to find a solution, if u have any problem go n talk it over instead of whinning..tell ure govt, vote them out,,if u feel immigration is messing up.
in this u seem to forget, that u need ppl in ure vast country, to fill it up. you need ppl to keep the gdp up and going. u call the indians lazy,,,,,i pity ure lack if knowledge...Indian are considered to be runnng NASa...maybe u whities r jealous,,,or something coz ure incapable. u dont want kids, ure population growth rate is lowest...stop the immigration if u dare,,,and u will be left with a population of oldies...1 day...can go on writing more on this...but ts a waste i know...coz u dmbos wont understand a word....GROW UP..stop consdering ureself to be superior ,just coz u r fair skinned

PaxCanadiana said...

if u wities are so annoyed n pissed off,,with the smell of curry etc...why dont u just moves ure asses out of here and not being crybabies.
the solution is nt to blame but to find a solution...


I'm calling troll but I'll bite.

Solution is simple. Instead of us moving how about stop bringing in people who force us to move? In other words let's stop bringing in south Asians in such quantities that they displace the host population. It's the cheapest and most effective solution and I'm sure most Canadians would condone this action don't you agree?

that u need ppl in ure vast country, to fill it up

Much of Canada is rock and Arctic desert, mostly inhospitable. Don't you know your Canadian geography (you can't spell so I doubt it)? That being the case where is everyone going to live? The answer is clearly obvious.

u call the indians lazy,,,,,i pity ure lack if knowledge...Indian are considered to be runnng NASa

I never said they were lazy but I did say they work on the cheap. That's why they work at NASA. Faced with budget constraints it's more cost effective to import cheap Indian engineers and scientists than employ equally competent but more expensive Americans. That's why Corporate America keeps whining about a skills shortage and wants to increase H1-B Work visas despite little evidence to suggest there is a shortage of STEM graduates in the U.S.

u dont want kids, ure population growth rate is lowest

No, we want kids but can't afford them because it's expensive to live here which is why Canadian born children of immigrants have a low birth rate as well. But immigration contributes to the expense of living here so it's part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Besides, south Asians like to abort their girls causing a gender imbalance. How is that going to help with population growth?

Anonymous said...

I vid=sitedBrampton in '75 - mostly a calm white community - now it is like New Delhi here - yuck -what's coming next ? throwing the dead into the Credit River? Ive seen the old men with lond white beards pi55ing into the bushes- sad corrupt and overrun by peasants - I'm getting out - too late for a turnabout , thanks to retarded Susan Fennel -

Anonymous said...

Isn't todays world suppose to be about acceptance? Aren'T we all equal in gods eyes? ... theres a alot you can rant on about being equal and fair and how we should treat each other... anyway the worls spins around i think thats the only thing that should matter... if you are living a good life then thats it race, culture, origin, where you lvie, nothing should matter

Anonymous said...

I am an immigrant from South Asia, and am a very proud Canadian.
Did live in Brampton for a short period of time and got so disgusted, with the influx of Turban heads, that decided to move.
Unfortunately, have not been able to come with terms that this is North America, which it is not any more.
I believe Multi culturism is the main problem here.
I respect other peoples culture and relegion, but would hate to see
Canada turning into a Hindu, or Muslim culture dominated state.
But the way Indian community is growing with typical Indian mentality.here are a few predictions.
2020: All business will be conducted in cash.
There would be no refund or exchange policy.
No fuel pump would have windshield washer facility.
Air pressure at pumps would cost $5 (cash)
One person would sell your house for 1% commission, also help you get a mortgage, help you move, provide duct cleaning and carpet cleaning services,painting services, catering services and would also be your wedding planner and financial planner, and if you budle up all services, you get a $5 calling card and a chance to win (Sponsor your village immigrate to Canada)
No 1 selling car TATA
Cows would roam freely on streets.
Bollywood would be a new subject added to the education system.
English and French would be optional.
Male babies born (80-85%) VS female babies (15-20%).

And then after rapng the resources and the fecilities, we would start immigrating to hmmmm, may be China or back to India (the next superpowers and largest economies of the world)

Anonymous said...

Indians always preach multiculturalism, open immigration, opportunity for all etc. while it is going their way. They are undoubtedly the most hypocritical race on earth. They trounce anyone for a profit. They are without conscience. They use the liberal laws of western societies to their advantage, then use them to disadvantage the locals. They are pen pushers, they will break the pension system, the healthcare system and corrupt politics. They are slum dwellers. Canada was settled by blue collar Europeans, we need more of them, not these liars and scam artists. Trouble is, once they get their smelly foot in the door, it is too late, and they have. PITY. They are ruining a once potentially great country. Our only hope is that as nearly all of them would rather live in the USA, that they all get to go.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I’m a British Sikh, and my granddad fought in the II World War for the British while serving in the Punjab Sikh Regiment while India was still under British rule and Indians (Sikhs, Hindus, and Muslims) were still being murdered and jailed and persecuted for standing up for their rights as Indians who were being ruled by the British. Over 200,000 Sikhs fought in the II World War, which many of you Asian Bashing people are probably not aware of.
My grandfather who was shot and wounded only just survived and was granted indefinite stay in England for services to the British Empire and was given a work permit and passport. He was racially abused after the war for being brown and wearing a turban even though he tried to explain to his white counterparts that he served in the war. He eventually cut his hair and worked in a steel foundry for almost 36yrs and marrying and raising a family with both English values and Sikh values. In the U.K Indians (Sikhs) are highly respected for their work and education ethics, Sikhs are the largest minority in the U.K to own their own house and have the 2nd highest pass rate in education after the Chinese.
People of Pakistani/Bangladeshis and Afro Caribbean decent have the highest unemployment rates as well as the highest poverty rates that are mainly down to the fact they don’t want to work and want to rely on government hand outs and at the same time complain about their rights.
So I'm very surprised to hear from BLACK people on this form that they are having problems with Asians in Brampton. So just to let off a little steam and raise a few points, whether in England or Canada blacks from Afro Caribbean backgrounds are known for crime and living in housing association projects and claiming some form of benefits and welfare and fathering children with different (Baby Mothers) and then abandoning them. During the summer riots of 2011 in Britain, the majority of crimes that were committed were by Blacks (65%) and then followed by Whites who were mainly from the projects. The Indians (Sikhs/Hindus) have achieved a great deal of success in the U.K and Canada for bringing in their wealth and hard work ethics that you will not find in some other communities.
So just to finish off and clear the air is this just an Indian (Sikh/Hindu) bashing forum or are you also bashing the Jews/Italians/Portuguese/Greeks who have their own areas Toronto where they feel a little at ease and can shop/talk/converse with people from their own communities. Or don't you mind them as they are white or a little lighter skinned then Indians in appearance.
I’m sure white people don’t murder other people or rape or scam taxes and defraud the government and commit crimes against children, I must be mistaken and that all those things just mentioned are only done by immigrants and especially those immigrants who are Asian. Just like the world wide coverage of the riots that took place in Vancouver after the hockey team lost in the finals of the Stanley Cup and all those ASIANS and COLOURED people bringing shame on Canada for looting and damaging property while the whole world watched…..?

PaxCanadiana said...

Over 200,000 Sikhs fought in the II World War, which many of you Asian Bashing people are probably not aware of.

I'd like to know why? It makes no sense to me why a colonized people would willingly fight to preserve the sovereignty of their colonizers from an external threat unless there was something in it for them and I think this is the case here.

Sikhs weren't fighting for king and country. They were fighting for Khalistan. They fought for the British Empire with hopes to win favouritism from their British rulers so that they will allow for the establishment of the independent Sikh state of Khalistan in the Punjab. This was hoped for come partition yet it didn't come to pass with some Sikhs feeling betrayed and the wounds fester 'til this day.

The Indians (Sikhs/Hindus) have achieved a great deal of success in the U.K and Canada for bringing in their wealth and hard work ethics that you will not find in some other communities.

Not really, at least not here. This isn't to say Sikhs are milking the system - although immigration fraud by Sikhs is rampant - but any contributions Sikhs make to Canada are negligible at best meaning were all the Sikhs in Canada to disappear, the country and it's economy wouldn't notice. In fact Sikhs have made themselves to be quite the irritants here that I think Canadians would be quite happy were the Sikhs to leave.

Besides, Sikhs aren't coming here to contribute to Canada. They come here to enrich themselves. Also western citizenship is a sign of status.

So what if they work hard? Big deal! They're not doing for my sake or that of other Canadians. They're doing it for themselves.

So just to finish off and clear the air is this just an Indian (Sikh/Hindu) bashing forum or are you also bashing the Jews/Italians/Portuguese/Greeks who have their own areas Toronto where they feel a little at ease and can shop/talk/converse with people from their own communities.

No, they're just as obnoxious as south Asians and only provide further argument to the fallacy of pursuing a multicultural society fuelled by immigration. If we're all Canadians then why do they only feel comfortable in their communities/colonies?

I’m sure white people don’t murder other people or rape or scam taxes and defraud the government and commit crimes against children...

Of course they do but my argument is that if Canadians commit crimes why are we importing immigrants who commit crimes as well?

Anonymous said...

Just like the world wide coverage of the riots that took place in Vancouver after the hockey team lost in the finals of the Stanley Cup and all those ASIANS and COLOURED people bringing shame on Canada for looting and damaging property while the whole world watched…..?

That's because the media is full of white liberal guilt pushers who love to show white people behaving badly and report on their race, but are afraid of reporting the race of coloured people doing the same because they don't want to be accused of racism. The prevalence of anti-white racism is just as shocking as white-racism. I'm sure you folks in Brampton are aware of this, considering the flight of all the "whiteys" from there.

Just have a look at some of these vancouver riot pics, very multi-cultural indeed:

http://www.identifyrioters.com/?photo=67

http://www.identifyrioters.com/?photo=70

http://www.identifyrioters.com/?photo=71

http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/vancouver_riot01.jpg

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/06/16/1226076/538352-110616-vancouver-riot.jpg

http://www.identifyrioters.com/?photo=83

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2011/12/10/stanley-cup-riot-charges-the-vancouver-riot-rap-sheet/

jjones said...

If Indians do bring in bundles of cash, and that is what the community wants, then they have to take the good with the bad. The Indians will drive the white Canadians away, they will lower property values, they will overtax the infrastructure with more cars and more garbage than it was planned for. However, they do bring some money, well in theory. As far as I can see, Jamaicans on the other hand just bring crime. I dont care for either community, but Jamaicans are a step change worse than Indians. Why on earth Scarborough and Brampton have allowed themselves to be taken over and fear overtake the neighbourhoods is a mystery. Jamaica is a violent place, the people largely uneducated, why on earth would you want them.

Anonymous said...

I just moved to brampton from mississauga and let me tell you i'm leaving here asap!!!!!! I cannot stand the fact that a majority of these sikhs and other india garbage around here are ignorant as shit, cannot drive for shit, and have no understanding of how a sidewalk works !!!

They have ruined brampton and lowered property values because of there personal hygene and cleanliness - and the last thing I care to see out my window or driving home are drapery covered, sandal wearing, waddling figures in my areas. YOU ARE IN CANADA NOW SMARTEN THE FUCK UP.

Anonymous said...

It would SUCK if white people became the minority, if they haven't already!

Anonymous said...

I took a Viva bus today to get from Finch Street to King and Yonge (in Richmond Hill, part of the Greater Toronto Area). Watching the Richmond Hill neighborhoods from the bus, I was blown away by the middle eastern ethnic enclaves as evidenced by the arab writing on the mostly ethnic store signs along Yonge Street. It truly felt as if I was in a different country.

It never ceases to amaze me that Canada's obsession with diversity has blinded the nation to the perils of indiscriminate open-mindedness. We accomodate ethnic enclaves from cultures that are so backward their host countries literally look like places from the stone age. These are cultures where rapists get away with rape by marrying the woman they raped, where gay teenagers are lynched (I could go on and on). The middle eastern cultures are so backward (and hostile to foreign cultures) it defies logic to be tolerant toward them. My favorite of all the obsessions Canadians have with foreign cultures is with their cuisines. I'm not even going to get into how disgusting Indian curry smells. The only thing I wanted to say is this: do you really think people in Saudi Arabia (or even Greece/Italy for that matter) get together and say "Let's have some Canadian/American food"? I think you know the answer to THAT one.

These are cultures of ignorant people who indeed as has been mentioned have no cultural linkage to Canada whatsoever. We're supposed to be tolerant of them for what reason exactly? I couldn't agree more with the assertion that immigrant is not the appropriate term for these hordes; rather, colonizer is more apt (because that's what they do: they form ethnic colonies).

Every time one of these barbarians gets Canadian citizenship, I feel that it bring down the value of MY Canadian citizenship. This is the highest honor our country can bestow on someone. It should not be given to hordes of colonizing barbarians who just want to use it for material entitlements and don't identify with this great country.

Anonymous said...

I do not see myself as someone who discriminates.

But seriously...it is too much.

Toronto is now degenerating into a slump because of the massive number of Indians swarming it.

It is getting really unbearable.

They are hardly the easiest to work with, and based on my experience, it is highly risky to trust them.

Toronto is now steadily turning into a slum.

Anonymous said...

In the early 20th century, blacks in North America were so successful in their right to be treated fairly that any form of racism is now a huge taboo. Unfortunately now this taboo protects hoardes of Indian immigrants who can do whatever they like in our country without the risk to their reputation.

In Canada things are even worse because of multiculturalism. I always thought it meant people from many diverse cultures living in peace and exchanging their traditions, but apparently the correct interpretation is several million of rude, selfish Indians coming to run over all that was beautiful in my city, and me not even being able to talk about it. Even broaching the subject caused me to be labelled racist by my best friend. Another friend complained almost in a whisper that her neighbourhood mostly has Indian families now who are not interested in talking to her... but she stopped at that.

I know there is no scientific evidence that Indians make terrible immigrants - but that's because the subject is absolutely forbidden and whoever undertakes such a study will be viciously attacked. My own evidence is the history of consistently bad experiences dealing with Indians and South Asians in general. Just a few examples:
1) cheating landlord and extortionist roommate who forced me to pay rent I didn't owe
2) In response to “Hello”, being almost pushed on the street by an elderly Indian lady
3) Hearing from my Bangladeshi classmates how they cheated on immigration...how they take advantage of free healthcare by constantly going to doctors over minor matters... how they take advantage of the social system by having babies they can't afford and then using child support, food banks, emergency bursaries shamelessly
4) Hearing their negative opinions about Canadians. Considering Canadian girls promiscuous and shallow, my Bangladeshi classmate started going to bars to pick one up as soon as he got here. After he finally succeeded, he proudly told everyone about how he never called her back.
5) The endless questions and conversations about money... it's always money, money, money – no sense of culture or higher values

Am I racist for connecting the dots here? I've never had so many bad experiences with any race or ethnic group, including Chinese who are also very numerous in my city. I feel really powerless, like my community being taken away and I am obligated to hand it over politely and not even speak about it. Does the government truly believe that a typical Indian contributes as much to Canada as a typical European, or someone from a more civilized part of Asia? How can people be so blind, so meek?

Kunal said...

The sad part here is that im Indian and even i dont like indian people. If you ask most normal indian people they cant stand skikhs either most of them are rude,and they just stare at you its really annoying. When i went to school in Brampton i was kinda shocked at the amount of forgien students in my class over half of them didnt speak proper english ask anyone that goes to Sheridan college in Brampton.

i feel the real problem here is that there is no intergration because most of these new immigrats dont know a canadian standard of living and by just living with their own people they probably wont abopt it.

and intergration applys to all new comers to canada

Anonymous said...

Great points! Sad about Brampton.

You wrote: "The endless questions and conversations about money... it's always money, money, money – no sense of culture or higher values".

My exact experience - it seems the ones who do get here are preoccupied with money. Perhaps those who have higher values stayed back to better their home countries. Even those here who have good jobs, are quite anxious to not pay taxes at all, and certainly not donate to any charity unless it is directly for their own ethnic group.

Know one refugee claimant who made it "legal" with a phony marriage. She has not once in 13 years paid any taxes as all her jobs are under the table. She thinks paying taxes is unfair, yet she has had two surgeries, and takes advantage to anything she can get from the government without paying. The politicians love getting the immigrant vote, but what will happen to our society when people with these attitudes make up the bulk? Where will we get tax revenue? Who will donate to charity?

kannadiga said...

Hello,

I myself a south indian(non-Punjabi) have come here for a work assignment for 2 years and fortunately or unfortunately, my office is in Brampton, and so I chose Brampton for my supposedly temporary stay. Well after coming here, the first thing that welcomed me was a huge surprise...so many Punjabi's and not to forget the Pakistani's. They could be equal or more than the Punjabis. I have visited 3-4 different countries for my work assignments and wish to see the places, my another longing was to get to know the feel of the place, culture and the ethnicity. And here in Canada too, it was the same case. Alas, this has so far not materialized as, in Brampton I am unable to see or feel the actual Canadian culture. I agree that most of us immigrate due to one's own needs( can be called selfish, but this is ok as it is the case with everybody, not only Punjabis), and also agree that one's native culture is also very important and that too being from India, which by itslef is one of the olderst civilizations, it becomes that more important not to forget one's history, culture and tradition. WHile I say this, I also feel that PUnjabis or whoever, when they immigrate to a certain place it becomes the untold duty to blend with the local culture(Canadian) and understand it and respond to it. I stayed in Germany for around 6 months and always tried to speak German which made the locals very happy and I was satisfied by this. My personal opinion is that Punjabis are a very friendly community but also loud. They have to fulfill the duty of blending with the Canadians and also promoting the Canadian culture whenever possible. Else, down the lane, if I get my PR I would need to definitely move out of Brampton to understand the Canadian culture!

jjones said...

Despite the ongoing lie that Indians are hard working and create jobs, take a look at Indians in Scandanavia. Who would have thought they would have infiltrated Scandanavia. In Norway, they are responsible/convicted of 60 per cent of the crimes, they are particularly involved in sexual offences agains predominantly blond girls, they are responsible for consuming the same level of social spend (ie. welfare) and they are only 6 per cent of the popoulation. These people do not integrate, they are not there to integrate, they are there to take what they can and then call anyone racist that speaks out. Wherever you visit in the world, same issue when it comes to these people. Crime, welfare, racism, lazy, unhygenic etc.

Anonymous said...

Our canadian government has taken this shit to the next extent. How so is it fair for them to accept I don't know how many immigrants per year from the sikh community, but whe my people from turkey apply for a fucking visa to come here, the canadian government turns them down. Jane and finch area, all black people. Yes forsure. But a white person like my self can still find a job there no problem. These fucking indian people have taken over our country, our jobs, and our homes. How is it that now an indian person owns a home and the white person has to rent out there basement? Doesn't make any fucking logical sense to me. My parents had to file for bankrupcy after 30 fucking years of having their own business. Reason being... Cause these indians were working as truck drivers for lower rates. So what's the white mans fault? Why do we have to suffer. Or can't even walk down a fucking street as a woman without being physicaly or sexually assaulted by the older sikh men. I feel disgusted that Iat the end of all this have no fucking rights left in the country I was born and raised in. Everytime I go to the doctor for my 5 year old kid that is seriously ill, I have to wait in line for hours and hours because some old sikh aunty's finger is hurting her. That's fucking bullshit. Doesn't matter if there country is poor and in serious poverty. So is my country of origin from my parents side, which is turey. You don't see any of them like little fleas infesting canada. We have a major issue in our country and no body wants to put there foot down. I'm a college graduate from medical office admin. And I can't find a job. Cause the indian lady that just landed 2 weeks ago is working in the walk in clinic for 10 dollars an hour cash with no god damn education. So wtf did I spend 10gs on school for? To get my self no where? And then send my kid to school and let her get bullied by these bugs. Or its ok for the indian man to become a police officer and not even BE IN FULL uniform!!!!! Wtf is that shit dude? But he has a turban on his head so its ok for him to stick his badge on it. But then if a muslim lady wants to be a cop, since she's wearing a head scarf they fucking discriminate against that shit.. Fuck that shit. This country keeps going downhill.. So for all those MPs and high end people that make decisions for Canada. Thinks ur shit through straight. And re consider some of the decisions you guys are making

Anonymous said...

The Star published this in-depth report on Indo-Canadians and the drug trade. Of course, in the name of appeasing their diverse (or at least they hope) readership, they did their best to paint it as if these "Indo-Canadians" are victims, however it is pretty clear that they agree to get involved for a big payout.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1271225--indo-canadian-truck-drivers-from-gta-caught-in-web-of-north-american-drug-trade

PaxCanadiana said...

The Star published this in-depth report on Indo-Canadians and the drug trade.

I read that and haven't decided whether or not I want to blog about it.

The truth of the matter is that this is nothing new. I've read about Sikh transport drivers getting caught at the before for drug trafficking.

And we'll probably read about it again.

Like you said, these stories are always spun to paint the crooks as victims but this is false. They knew exactly what they were doing.

What I would like to read about is how Sikhs have affected the trucking business in Canada.

Rumour has it Sikh trucking companies skimp on maintenance and safety measures. They also hire unqualified, albeit Sikh, drivers. This allows them to undercut their Canadian competitors, driving down incomes for all. I can't verify this but it is rumored.

Nevertheless this begs the question if Sikhs are the "model minority" they are made out to by the media (who wants to sell them to advertisers) and by politicians (who want their bloc votes).

For me I'm not so sure. Considering their penchant for immigration fraud, their culturally aggressive behaviour towards Canadian cultural sensibilities (the kirpan, turban on RCMP officers), and their disproportionate involvement in criminal activity (they are the major players in B.C. Indo-Canadian gang violence), I think it best we close the mission in Chandigarh, Punjab and cut back on Sikh immigration.

I am Canadian said...

Couldn't agree with you more Sikhs and Muslims have doomed Brampton and many other cities yet our government has done nothing to correct the problem but bring more in. We need a party in government to represent Canadians so how do we go about doing this?

jjones said...

The problem is that Canadian Politicians live in enclaves that are not exposed like the workers to the slums that these people create. Then when early retirement beckons the politicians, they are off to sunny retirement in Florida, even Europe, so they only really need these people for their votes. Limiting immigration will limit their access to easy billets later in life.

Anonymous said...

Having immigrated from Mumbai, India in 2010, we were shocked to see the proportion of Sikh and Punjabi people in Brampton! Never in my whole life, living in Mumbai, had I seen so many Sikhs/Punjabis. Given a more economical choice we would have decided to live in another part of the GTA. However, with every one other than the Sikhs and Punjabis moving out of Brampton, the realestate is more affordable here, and a reasonably priced house is what we needed. Other than that reason, there was no attraction to live in Brampton for us. We don't see ourselves spending more than a few years in Brampton. With the current Punjab-isation rate standards of cleanliness and style will degenerate further.

Anonymous said...

I consider the July 5, 2012 comment by Anonymous as the best! Just what I would like to state! Especially 'drapery covered, sandal wearing, waddling figures'...lol.... gem of a description!

Anonymous said...

Having seen Toronto and Brampton change from the 60s till now, my observation is that the Indians have turned the landscape of the area into a slum and the Jamaicans have introduced violence and crime. Far from being the desireable places to live, they are now very low on the foodchain. Europeans dont emigrate to the area as they consider it a move down. Only the third world see it as a move up, especially the welfare system.

Anonymous said...

I am an immigrant living in brampton and I do agree that there are a lot of Indian Immigrants. So what? "oh smell of curry" wtf? can you be more racist, I have a FOB family and we don't even eat curry. Indians come at a rate of around 25,000-30,000 people per year compared that to the total population of canada we are a blip. Even in frigging brampton that has such a bad reputation amongst canada we don't form a majority.

The reason Indians live in same neighborhood is because of availability of Indian stores etc. Our diet is highly restrictive (hindus atleast) and as such we have to live close to certain neighborhoods. It isn't a crime. And guess what? I'll celebrate diwali every year and won't celebrate christmas, nobody told us that we need to be white and adopt Christianity when we live here so gtfo.

And Indians aren't lazy and they don't open up slums, first of all only a very very small fraction of people from India come to Canada, and all of them speak English and are very highly skilled. Obviously, if they call their parents (who may or may not speak English) is their right.

You guys ought to be ashamed of yourself! such a bunch of racists, ashamed to call them my countrymen. Oh wait, I am a Canadian too, bet you didn't expect that. And no I am not going to bleach my skin to blend in, sorry.

Jag said...

Hi all,

I hope this post finds you all well and prospering in life :)

I took the time out to read through this entire blog, and I have to conclude that some valid points were made.

However I feel that the majority of posts were just full of misguided and unrelieved anger. I myself am British and I was thinking of moving to Canada myself. I am also a turban wearing Sikh, for this I do not apologize.

My parents alone have lived in the UK 50 odd years now, we embrace the British Culture and let me assure you my family is learned and self dependant.

I feel that your posts which referred mainly to Sikhs is not segregated enough to expose the true problem in your society. If you decided against referring to Sikhs as Turbinators and Terrorists, that might improve your chances of socialising.

Expanding on my point of segregation, Sikhs can not be classed as smelly, untrustworthy and uneducated people. Most of these people you seek to describe are from India. This may mean that they are not enriched with Western psychology and your culture it does not mean they are not willing to embrace it !

Furthermore if I was to describe the entire white population as snobby, racist, arrogant and ignorant. This would not be fair, many people would be quick to point out their heritage and their family values just like I am doing.

So please lets calm down on the stereotypes and needless racism. I quote "Suburban, Turban, Terrorists". For people like myself to see such ignorance from a developed country with a rich history and foundation it does not create the best of impressions.

Lastly I would like to leave you with an honest question, if I decided to move to Canada and live in an area like Peterborough ON, or Wendover ON, would I be accepted? Or would people see my turban before they hear me speak, and make assumptions.

However if I were to live in Brampton, perhaps the inclusion would be more comfortable and the transition easier. (just a thought !)

The moral is throughout an entire religion, culture or country you can not judge the entire population. There are many examples of Sikh people benefiting society as there are of them being classed as a disadvantage the same goes for any other race.

I am sorry if I have offended anyone and I thank you for taking the time out to read this.

Jag

Anonymous said...

We use the word Multicultural to describe Brampton. This word has no meaning in India. The Indian government is very strict on immigration and I doubt that a working class westerner could possibly move there to live, if so inclined. It is amazing to me how these people manage to slink their way around the world using PR and false stories about their education and abilities. It is to late for the world to wake up. But lets not be stupid and realize that we have allowed the west to slide into the sewer of India.

PaxCanadiana said...

Indians come at a rate of around 25,000-30,000 people per year compared that to the total population of canada we are a blip.

According to census figures there are nearly one million citizens who identify as South Asian. Doesn't seem like a blip to me.

Now I know you're going to nit-pic and say India is just one country of many in South Asia but who are we kidding? Desi is desi, am I right?

The reason Indians live in same neighborhood is because of availability of Indian stores etc. Our diet is highly restrictive (hindus atleast) and as such we have to live close to certain neighborhoods.

If it's that important to you then why not stay in India? Why go to someone's else's country and change the cultural environment to suit your needs especially when no one asked you to?

I'll celebrate diwali every year and won't celebrate christmas, nobody told us that we need to be white and adopt Christianity when we live here so gtfo.

Because you're a colonizer, not an immigrant. It's okay to admit it. I'd appreciate the candor for once.

And Indians aren't lazy and they don't open up slums,...

No they're not lazy but they do contribute to poverty levels to some extent albeit unintentionally on their part (it's totally intentional on the government's and the private sector's part). This is accomplished through wage suppression and over supplying the labour market.

This isn't limited to Indians but is a pervasive problem with the immigration system as whole. Simply stated we are bringing in too many immigrants for too few well paying jobs that can support the level of consumption witnessed in urban sprawl mistakes like Brampton. Once pleasing rural landscapes are being turned into future poverty ravaged slums. It's better the immigrants weren't brought in at all.

Oh wait, I am a Canadian too,...

How so? Because of accident of birth? Just because you say so? Canadians don't celebrate Diwali because it's not a Canadian holiday but admittedly you do.

And according to the Indian government your immigrant parents are recognized as NRIs (non-resident Indians) and their succeeding generations up to the fourth are considered PIOs (people of Indian origin) which makes you a person of Indian origin.

As far as I can tell from what little you've revealed of yourself the only thing that makes you Canadian is 1)accident of birth and 2) you speak English as a first language. So that's all it takes now? Being born here and speaking English and that's it?

Even less so because a perfunctory citizenship swearing-in ceremony and a signed name on a piece of paper is all it takes. With such bottom-of-the-barrel criteria to be a Canadian hell, we might as well call the plankton living in Canada's ocean waters Canadians.

PaxCanadiana said...

The Indian government is very strict on immigration...

To the point that only people with brown skin and Indian ancestry can immigrate there and I don't recall any Indians complaining about that racist policy.

But were Canada to adopt a similar policy concerning its European roots...

PaxCanadiana said...

Jag

Why move to Canada?

Why not India? It's touted to become a leading world economy and major world power, it has a growth rate that dwarfs Canada's, and the Punjab - the breadbasket of India - has one of the highest income levels in all the country. On top of that they have a Sikh Prime Minister and it's a nation of "brown people" that you can go anywhere in the country and not feel out of place.

Not so in Canada. Sikhs are mostly concentrated in a couple of urban sprawl communities outside of Toronto and Vancouver. If you leave them you'll pretty much be out of place. I live in the city of Toronto and seeing a Turban wearing Sikh outside a cab ride is actually not a common sight. In places like Peterborough or Wendover (hell, even I never heard of that place) you'll stand out like a sore thumb. I don't know if you'll be accepted or not but I should tell you white people love immigrants and multiculturalism just not in their neighbourhoods and communities. And this is especially true for Toronto. If they can push it off to the suburban periphery of Brampton, ON or Surrey, B.C. where they don't have to see it then they're fine with it.

Also, Canada has an unofficial unemployment rate in double digit territory. Job opportunities for the Canadian born are hard to come by. Why would we want any immigrant coming here? It's best that you don't come here frankly.

Furthermore, why come to Canada and contribute to the displacement of the host society and make them further feel like strangers in their country?

Besides, Sikhs have not endured themselves to the Canadian population. The reputation the Sikh community has cultivated for itself is one of a community of troublemakers. And they have themselves to blame for it!

So, take that how you want it.

I hope you don't take it personal. What I care to expose is the effects of introducing en masse a dissimilar people into a largely homogeneous society. A single Sikh immigrant isn't a problem. But a million Sikh immigrants, well...

But you live in the U.K. You should know what I'm talking about.

Anonymous said...

I lived in Brampton Ontario for 13 years and even went out with and Indian Sikh girl and I am Canadian white. I could not agree more with this post. If you live in Brampton you feel like an outcast and if you dare go out with one of " their women" they are the most racist people towards you. They want this countries benefits but nothing to do with Canada's culture and people.

Joe Canadian

Anonymous said...

I don't think white people need to complain about Brampton, it's not yours so leave!! We are minorities and it's hard to make it with the economy the way it is and EI not paying me in time to feed my children. My car was hit from behind by white idiot and I can't work now for 3 years, the light turns green and stupid idiot goes before me. learn how to drive.

Anonymous said...

U are very generous to hand over this beautiful country to a corrupt culture that is taking over the world. They are multiplying like cockroaches, infiltrating themselves in all aspects of OUR culture, taking over jobs abd killing our economy! Congratulation to you and your acceptance. Your kids will be minorities, left with the low end jobs, while these leeches mooch off of a country that was once beautiful and properous! They are having their cake and eating it too. Perhaps with a bit of curry on the side. Good luck to your children.

Shadaan said...

Systematic racism has created a climate of interracial distrust and suspicion. Many white people have expressed “discomfort” interacting with minorities, without realizing that it’s the racist system they (consciously or not) maintain that generates their discomfort. Since the 17th century, the political and economic elites -- mainly white men -- played a role in shaping the institution that disproportionally benefits white people to this day. Whether or not they are actually aware of their skin-privilege which they deny, over 20 generations of white people have inherited socioeconomic resources from their forbearers who benefitted unjustly from slavery, colonialism, segregation, stealing resources and other forms of racial oppression. The Punjabis move into your neighbourhood and you move out, we want to live with you but you do not want to live with us, who are the racist? So what if the Punjabis want to live in Brampton, there are other racial conclaves in Toronto that you do not see because you people who are disgusted are all acting your blind racism that you inherited. You cannot tolerate the Punjabis because they are different. Punjabis are economically superior because of their hard work. These Punjabis are also Canadians and if this is not acceptable then count yourself as a racist and a bigot like your forefathers. History tells us that white people forcefully colonised countries on racial superiority and has been racist for centuries. Look at what you people did to the rest of the world for centuries, you were acting as thugs in the world, get a lesson in real history. You took over sovereign nations and colonised them for centuries, robbed their wealth and left them poor and confused. Took over North America and Australia killed the locals who are suffering nder your rule this day and took over their lands and now you worry and are shit scared even when others come into the country legally. When I think of what you people did in history, it is really scary and is worrying.

PaxCanadiana said...

Systematic racism has created a climate of interracial distrust and suspicion. Many white people have expressed “discomfort” interacting with minorities, without realizing that it’s the racist system they (consciously or not) maintain that generates their discomfort.

blah, blah, blah, blah

If what you write is true then why not stay in the Punjab beyond the influences and institutions of the evil white man?

Why insist on moving to white majority countries where you can expect to be discriminated against and pressed under the heel of the white man's foot?

In the Punjab, Punjabis are the majority. You call the shots! Hell man, a Sikh is Prime Minister of India at the moment.

All your problems can be solved simply by not coming here. It's not rocket science.

And nobody forced Punjabis to come here either. They do so on their own volition. Indeed they invite themselves into Canada because Canadians aren't exactly inviting them to come here. But since no one listens to us in government anyway and insists on shovleing people into the nation we didn't invite we do what we can within our power to react to that. And if moving to areas where Punjabis are not to be found are Canadians not free to do so? Or should Canadians be forced by law to live with the immigrants they didn't invite into the country in the first place?

Punjabis are economically superior because of their hard work.

Are you a Punjabi supremacist? Did you just say that Punjabis are the superior race? That's racism in it's truest definition. Were I to say "whites are economically superior because of their hard work" how would you interpret that?

History tells us that white people forcefully colonised countries on racial superiority and has been racist for centuries.

Yeah, whatever! Look if you're going to criticism Canada and it's colonial past then you better excuse yourself from the country, surrender you passport and renounce your citizenship, and move abroad to, say, the Punjab. Only then can you legitimately condemn the country for it's settler history. Otherwise you're being hypocritical.

All immigration to Canada is the continued colonization and occupation of native lands. Punjabis, by willfully coming here, are stating in act that they condone that colonization and want to reap the benefits of it as well. Being the Canadian born child of Punjabi immigrants you too are reaping the benefits of that colonization.

What makes this all the more disgusting is that Punjabis were the victims of European colonization (and even Muslim and Hindu colonization if you care to go there) at one point in their history. You'd figure they'd sympathize with native Canadians and not come to Canada to occupy a portion of the "stolen lands" of its native inhabitants but condemn Canada for its settler history while seeking native Canadian self-determination.

But that's not what they're doing. In fact it's the exact opposite. Indeed, they're eager to participate in the institutions established by evil white men to govern the "stolen lands" of "turtle island" and be one with the oppressors.

Punjabis are just another example to the truism that colonialism is good as long as you're the one benefiting from it. European colonization of the Punjab: BAD! Punjabi colonization of native Canadian lands: GOOD!!!

PaxCanadiana said...

I don't think white people need to complain about Brampton, it's not yours so leave!!

So who does Brampton belong to then?

Oh, right this is Canada and therefore it resides on stolen native land.

So I guess Brampton isn't yours either because it's stolen native land. I guess you better pack your bags and go back to India I imagine.

Anonymous said...

@PaxCanadian (being one of the most active members, no other reasons) :-)

I accidentally stumbled upon this page and found one of the most amazing discussions I have ever encountered.

Well, I came from India and I work in one of the giant companies for the US - trying to establish Canadian arm of this company. I am establishing Canadian base in Toronto and Recruiting engineers (well, deserving Canadians - not "races") and some day would go back to India once my work is over. I usually don't comment on any of blogs, but couldn't resist myself this time..

As an Indian on the onset, I do owe an unconditional apology on behalf of my motherland because we did hurt sentiments. People may agree or disagree, but Indian ethos didn't teach us to encroach upon anyone, in any walk of life. If immigrants aren't following laws of the land that is plain wrong and must face the consequences one or other way.

In no way I am defending any particular race. I did get surprised to see that I required formal university degree and credentials to get a Canadian work permit, and some of my fellow countrymen came without any such requirement at all. It definitely did take a toll on the host country, which is Canada.. I do pay taxes, and honestly I don't like Tax dollars to be spent on Govt. subsidies on people who do nothing at all..

To my fellow Indians, who have come here, we do owe basics offerings to the motherland which incidentally, is Canada now. I would say when you have taken a conscious decision to stay here, why not try and learn English, learn proper etiquette, have trust and friendship and actively engage in holistic improvement of Canada ... how would we feel if such a thing happened in India? Aren't we bothered on illegal Bangladeshi immigration which is posing similar threat in India??

However, I would also request my Canadian friends to have some empathy and try to look at it from a compassionate perspective - you wouldn't go and settle in India, would you? Indian's are coming because some of them have very high hopes from this land, and trust me, Canadian immigration policies are sending very wrong signals in India.. It's your nation and you can stop it when you want it. Why sponsoring people and granting PR whom you don't need? I guess this all is linked to politics ... I don't know enough and may be wrong though.

I didn't see any smiley so far.. let me be the first to post one here :-)

I do work with whites, blacks, south americans, japanese, and other races (my boss is a white, and he really likes my professionalism).. I definitely trust that an intention to solve the issues would bring the solution.. not the blame game and swearing on a blog - if we dare to look at past, we all are fruits from the same tree .. called "humanity". If we don't learn it on our own, the life would teach us this lesson in a very harsh way.

Finally, I thank Canada - you guys are awesome! Be blessed.

Anonymous said...

Shadaan has described the gist of the story. PaxCanadian wouldn't read through this because, he doesn't exactly have an answer to this. All these Punjabis/ Pakistanis/ Bangaladeshis/ Filipinos didn't attack North America in early centuries and looted the wealth (on the basis of which you are where you are and Asians were left behind). Entire South East Asia had a culture/ heritage of 10,000 years or more which beloved "Queen" destroyed to such an extent that we still are recovering from this. She did cut India and Pakistan like her birthday cake and these guys are still fighting, without knowing why. Anyways, I am not suggesting tit for tat - it's just the natural consequence.

While doing all these, your forefathers did sow the seed, which is now ready for you to reap - why cry now? You are inheriting wealth accumulated by you forefathers, why not sharing the pain buddy?

@PaxCanadian: its not really "blah, blah, blah, blah" .. it's "As you sow so shall you reap"!

All you have been doing since 2010 is screaming at unknown people on this blog. meanwhile thousands of Punjabis, Pakis, Filipinos and Chinese did settle in Brampton and more will come. They aren't exactly coming to receive the grace of your highness, do they?

I guess it must be a good fun for you in insulting people who do not look like you, who did not born with privileges like you did, who came to this land because legally your govt. has provided them this option. Some of them have misused these privileges and which is also wrong - you govt. didn't take strong steps to punish them or repatriate (actually they should do this now). Tell us honestly, did you even try to write a letter to your MP to bring any changes, or merely venting frustration on people who, incidentally, were born colored?

I wouldn't even ask that you shut up and think.

Maybe you can write a hate mail, check your blood pressure, swear and yell at Punjabis, check your BP, write another mail, check your BP .. I just said this to prove a point "As you sow so shall you reap".. even your very own biological system wouldn't tolerate hatred.

Please continue for 10 more years but know that "As you sow so shall you reap" .. if you plan to receive more hatred your way, so be it.

Honestly, I don't blame you. Guys like you have even crossed Jesus Christ (by the way, I do love him) - we are mere black/brown skinned humans, perhaps inferiors in your wisdom.

Well, I know your answer "go back to Punjab". Isn't it?

Anonymous said...

obviously you white illegals are not aware or maybe are but hiding the fact that we are rightful in canada and you aint considering asians from west asia and south east asia as tribes were here on this land before white colonial invaders even stepped foot,get that knowledge through your heads because it is a fact! many inter-raced tribes asiatic came crossing the berring strait to enter north america which is now broken today.you white illegals have no authority to be here as the paleo indians and other asiatic natives were all from asia and were the first to be indigenous on this land i dont recollect anything about european period.ps get a life go back to your dirty dried up cum of a cave.you people are all bottom feeder leeches as i dont see any chinese nor east indians waiting at a church for handouts nor exhausting the wellfare system.we need to abolish this white government and wellfare as the senates and toronto mayor have already proved fraudulent. and now the auditors are investigating ottawa for land tax fraud of residency.

Anonymous said...

unlike you whites we never massacred nor brought pox or any venereal diseases wiping out asian natives you did.not to forget you used guns.you people say that was your ancestors yet you are still here and stealing natural resources we need a war and wipe you out seriously.

Anonymous said...

canada is native land and the truth is natives are asians you white people dont belong here get OUT!not to forget other asiatic tribes were here when natives were here and before them ,none were white you white people need to go back to europe.we have authority on this land by far more than any whites do to be honest.

Anonymous said...

white people are too quick to jump the gun to discriminate other ethnic minorities but the fact is this is none of anyones concern what asians do as i see it was whites which forced their ideologies on (asian) natives to speak english and place chrsitain churches everywhere so you are not really one with any credibillity for telling others how to live their lives why dont you type racism and see what the definition you get.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the new Canada. Where the white male is becoming the minority. Even woman have more rights than men. Sure we make more money. But soon as the divorce happens she gets everything. Anything a white person says against immigration is racist. I feel like a foreigner in my own country.

Anonymous said...

So how do we stop them from getting in to Canada? For such religious people, I can not believe how much they will lie & cheat to get something. Canada is their haven for fraud & something needs to be done to stop it.

PaxCanadiana said...

Entire South East Asia had a culture/ heritage of 10,000 years or more which beloved "Queen" destroyed to such an extent that we still are recovering from this.

What does Canada have to do with the European colonization of the Asian sub-continent?

Sine the answer is nothing then your two-wrongs-make-a-right argument is baseless and self-serving regarding Indian immigration to Canada.

And from what I can surmise from what you wrote Indians are still "butthurt" over the British interference in India. That I can understand yet how much different is that from the Indian interference in Canada? You do understand Canada was founded by colonizing a territory inhabited by an indigenous people. That being fact your presence here and intentions to benefit from that colonization prove you to be a hypocrite.

You condemn colonialism with one hand in the instance where you're the victim of it, but approve of it with the other where you benefit from it.

You also complain about the "Queen" destroying Indian heritage and culture - a ridiculousness statement in the face of reality - yet see no comparison to the destruction of Canadian culture and heritage by Indian immigrants under the auspices of multiculturalism.

While doing all these, your forefathers did sow the seed, which is now ready for you to reap - why cry now? You are inheriting wealth accumulated by you forefathers, why not sharing the pain buddy?

Said the colonizer to the colonized.

...meanwhile thousands of Punjabis, Pakis, Filipinos and Chinese did settle in Brampton and more will come. They aren't exactly coming to receive the grace of your highness, do they?

In a sense they should seek the grace of Canadians since we have to suffer the consequences of their immigration.

The current immigration system wasn't formalized by consulting with Canadians. It's being done by fiat and polls are showing increasing displeasure with it one way or another. Just because the government allows it doesn't mean we approve of it. Just because the British were able to govern India as a colony for some 300 years doesn't mean it was done by the vox populi of the Indian people.

And just to point out the Chinese don't settle in Brampton. Too many Sikhs I imagine is the reason. They didn't immigrate to Canada just to find themselves living in the Punjab.

Tell us honestly, did you even try to write a letter to your MP to bring any changes, or merely venting frustration on people who, incidentally, were born colored?

As a matter of fact yes I have. I do what I can at my limited disposal to effect change and am looking to ways I can do more.

Don't hate me for wanting to preserve a Canada that existed for centuries prior to the arrival of masses on non-European immigrants. It is a Canada worth preserving not just to myself but to million across the nation yet it is being undone for the sake of the "new Canada" as if anything was wrong with the old one. With all due respect the "new Canada" can go f*ck itself!

PaxCanadiana said...

obviously you white illegals are not aware or maybe are but hiding the fact that we are rightful in canada and you aint considering asians from west asia and south east asia as tribes were here on this land before white colonial invaders even stepped foot,get that knowledge through your heads because it is a fact! many inter-raced tribes asiatic came crossing the berring strait to enter north america which is now broken today

To imply the indigenous peoples of the Americas have a lot in common with the Asian people of the modern world beyond an ancient genetic link is outlandish.

Hell man why stop there! Go back farther and we're all Africans. Then going by your logic the European colonization of Africa and Asia was totally understandable and justified.

Give me a break!

What an opportunistic thing to say but I expected it to surface sooner or later.

And a word of advice, learn to use periods and capitalize the start of sentences. It makes it so much easier for all of us and people will tend to take you more seriously. Honest, try it out. You'll be surprised.

Anonymous said...

I think this country is heading for a civil war. I give it 15 years. Our government has caused this, and they make absolutely no attempt to address or fix the issue. They can't see that the true racists are in fact the very people we are letting in. When we object, they call us racists?

It's the people of Canada who will suffer the consequences, and when war breaks out, and it will, it will be too late. These immigrants of third world countries will never leave, until they've ruined everything!

Anonymous said...

The colonization of North America by Europeans, made it what it was, up until about 15 years ago. It was such a sought after success that every Indian wants to come here and be a part of it.

But when you object to their ignorance, they in turn try to push their own acceptance on us by guilting their way in. After all, they say, we were immigrants too. Never do they seem to remember that they too were once immigrants to their own land.

They say we stole the land from natives, but don't realize, that this great land would not be what it is today, without Europeans coming here and building it up to what it is today.

This is all being reversed due to accepting too many incompatible people into our country. We have let in the worst of the worst and it will only be a matter of time, before a war breaks out among us.

~Dawn

Anonymous said...

Since you're all AFRAID to say it, I will. Immigration needs to STOP! No, not be reduced, stopped!

The devastation that recent immigration has caused this country can never be reversed. We haven't even been able to stop and breath. To take stalk of the real damage that new immigration has caused to this nation. Which by the way is being ignored, despite our European models admitting Multiculturalism is a complete failure.

If you think the talk amongst todays immigrants killing us off in 20 years is an impossibility, then think again. The more their numbers increase, the more this will become a reality. Wake up!

It's time for Canadians to fight back. Our country is being destroyed and all we can do is type up some crap on a blog site? Has our government killed us already? Come on People!

Anonymous said...

@ ProudSouthAsianCanadian

How is that we killed all the natives, when they are alive and well, many on reserves. Complete with every handout you can think of.

How did we rape and pillage the land? If that were honestly true, then nobody would want to immigrate here. Our forefathers were the true pioneers of this land, to which you now rape, and take advantage of everyday. Your opportunistic displays have not gone unnoticed. It's your attitudes that make you so completely undesirable. Just so you know.

You are simply trying to make up excuses for your own ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Born and raised Canadian, but not Anglo-Saxon, not that it matters since the bottom line is I'm Canadian. Canadians need to drop the self-apologist attitude of "it's okay for me to say this because I'm..."

Too many immigrants from third world countries, and not the same as the quality ones from 60s-70s, but the immigrants today are now from the LOWER third world parts of their people. Stupid Canadian govt! And yes, too many Indians and too many from FELLOW COMMONWEALTH countries which are the lower ones. Priority bias from the govt? Anyways, no debating about types of immigrants, because ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Canada is meant to be a smaller pop'n quiet country, it's not a country with so much to offer and is mostly tundra, and cannot hold high levels of immigration and a high population. They've had more than enough MASS immigration from the late 1980s to present. Canada doesn't develop its society like a real first world country. Enough of this crap and that includes the other disease which is FOREIGN TEMP WORKERS. Canada is done. Suicide is what Canada does best these days. Brought to you by the corporations and 1%, not the govt who's running Canada. They just see this country as an open land to rape. GO TO HELL ALL OF YOU

Anonymous said...

Just to advise people I am certain most immigrants already know this. The canadians are the first white settlers. Canadian is my culture, language and ethnicity. Anyone else is not canadian you just came to live here! Please dont insult me! My family were the first settlers in 1630, read your history! The acadians are the canadians and built the country for 200 years with the natives until the english came! If I go to india you will never call me indian nor if the hole world landed there would u ever call anyone else indians but indian people themselves it doesnt matter that I speak your language, dress in your dress, eat your food your not canadian got it!!!

Anonymous said...

Speaking of leaches moslems would come a close second in canada to sucking the social system, welfare and medicare dry. The most immigrants we bring into canada, the higher our taxes, the higher our re nts and food, the higher the crime rates..........immigration is breaking us that is why ontario is now a half-not province! There is no need for massive immigration in our country we already have the best in the world here.

Anonymous said...

Whites were here for centuries and here first with the natives so we have the say in our country. We never considered anyone else to be canadian. Whites are united by culture, language (English) religion: christian. If it werent for the whites and christians there would not be a single immigrant here who is nonwhite and nonchristian. Its all thanks to them that u have the right to live in canada. Who do u think started food banks, homeless shelters, free english classes etc its all christian based, along with sally ann stores, the salvation army......our court system is based on the bible, our rules are based on christian laws etc.......learn some history in the country u chose to live in !

Anonymous said...

Brampton, Ontario = Surrey, BC
Surrey, BC = Brampton, Ontario

'Nuff said.

Anonymous said...

you are a genuine idiot first of white people which are illegal to canada were only here for 500 years illegally as you people are told off today even by natives to leave their soil yet you insist on staying and placing them on reserves.you people should go back to europe from what i know whites had nothing for starters and put up borders when it isnt their sole right to so anything a pointless argument as you people have only been on the planet for 6000 years and on north american soil illegally for under 500 years too bad the natives didnt wipe you out in the 1700's and you killed them using guns and pox that was vierus on blankets we all know what you did and its about hightime you get off our land before we kick you out. white man has no business in south africa nor north america nor oceana pacific those are all non white lands shut up pack your bags and get out because your white a** is not welcome here this was never whites continent and if the asiatic people fought as tribes what business does that concern your needs you nosey exploiting land thief!we will boycott and never hire you parasites nor will we ever inter race with such garbage of a cultureless white mutt of a race this is our land if you dont like it then get the f ouT infact you should because hardships await you for what you xenophobic bigots have coming to you .you aint no angel from what i know jim crows law and all this white priviledge has been your guidance towards harming other ethnic races on their own homeground and there is no place for you as your pilgrims stole this land and you are here only because of their atrocities committed to accomodate you illegal white filthy unwanted diseased trash!keep your melanoma and cancers to yourselves and go back to europe and fix your own immigration issues with the islamists.

Anonymous said...

My friends are all doctors, lawyers, and engineers. We drive the nicest cars and buy our parents the same as a thanks for making the sacrifice for coming to this country and giving us the opportunity. Jealousy kills and breeds hate like this....either way we will still enjoy our 5000 sq ft homes and 250k driveway full of cars :)

Anonymous said...

This is the most racist blog I have ever read ! THIS WASN'T EVEN YOUR LAND TO BEGIN WITH, SO DON'T YOU GO ON NOW DISCRIMINATING PEOPLE WITH STUPID BLOGS LIKE THESE.Canada is a multicultural country and apparently people like you still don't understand. Immigration created this country and will destroy it that i agree with, but why are you picking on Sikhs? Why not other races? or even everybody in general? It is people like you who are trying to ruin this country's success by your ignorant opinions. I'm in middle school and even I understand that if someone with a mind like yours was to be the prime minister or an important figure in this country, you would bring the country down. I am disgusted by people like you.

Anonymous said...

They never should have allowed such immigration to Canada. They don't want to follow OUR laws and will scam anywhere they can in Canada. I say send them ALL back to India whether they were born here or not. As my grandfather said, "god put us on different parts of the earth for a reason and created oceans to separate us all"

Anonymous said...

Canada is north american and immigrants who are not white are not in our culture. North american is for north americans just like asia is for asians. I cannot expect to be accepted in china as a chinese person if I am white can I.

Anonymous said...

Just to advise people who are not white, the canadians are white people. canadian are the first settlers who are christian, only speak english and have been here for generations. Anyone else is not canadian. canadian is our culture as we have no other ties to a foreign land and we built the great nation we live in and call our own.

Anonymous said...

The issue is that Indians, Jamaicans, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis all come from third world countries. They are trying to escape, true, but they bring the crime, the third world fertility levels, the benefit reliance and the crime with them. Jamaicans are notorious for violent crime, the Asians for scams. Neither of these communities are welcome in any country (European, Australia, NZ, USA, UAE) where they have surfaced. They tend to drag the host nation backwards. They are not risk takers, rarely perform anywhere close to their PR and most of the qualifications are fraudulent. They are poor workers and poor citizens.

Anonymous said...

I am a little late to see this blog and I am not sure if you will see this comment, but pax, you are a very intelligent person. I found myself nodding in absolute agreement with every one of your posts. You are very eloquent with your replies and very direct while exhibiting no hostility whatsoever. You said everything how I would want to say it but in a much more profound manner. Good job, my friend. I know it seems like a futile wish, but I could only dream that Canada would return to the condition it once was. Sadly, I don't see this happening.

Anonymous said...

I am an engineering consultant been running my own consultancy for seven years now. Without exception, every single client that has defaulted on payment has been Indian. Why is that I don't know, and I'm not racist, but from a pure business perspective, when a new client calls now with an Indian accent I either refuse to provide service or ask for payment upfront. I wasn't always like this, its pure numbers.

Anonymous said...

I am from Guyana,of East Indian descent.I am often mistaken for being South Asian,with all the stereotype pertaining to them it makes me upset because I am not South Asian. I am a Christian who believes in loving all people regardless of race,gender,social status,sexuality,religion but being judged because of my racial background is hurtful and sad.I am now a proud Canadian who believe in being integrated into the society we now call ours and adapting to new things that are so good about Canada.God Bless

PaxCanadiana said...

THIS WASN'T EVEN YOUR LAND TO BEGIN WITH

And neither was it yours in the first instance (Native Canadian), or the second (Euro-American society) yet it has stopped throngs of non-Europeans from waltzing into the country to make a land claim for themselves.

And we all know how wonderful colonialism was for Africans, Asians, the Middle East and other indigenous people the world over. That's what's so great about Canada. It gives everyone the opportunity to be a colonizer themselves.

why are you picking on Sikhs? Why not other races?

But I pick on everyone in, hopefully, equal measure. It's my way of celebrating diversity. It's just that some groups pick fights more often then others and then shake their heads in bewilderment when they attract so much negative attention.

The one group who has so far avoided my ire is the one I dislike the most: Canada's complacent white majority host society but don't worry I have enough venom to go around.

And for the record I don't inherently dislike anyone. I don't mind Sikhs, or Muslims, or Asians, or Africans, or whoever. I just don't like them colonizing my country. As a South Asian, who I assume you are, you can appreciate that.

Canada was fine the way it was. We don't need a new as a new one was never wanted in the first place.

PaxCanadiana said...

My friends are all doctors, lawyers, and engineers. We drive the nicest cars and buy our parents the same as a thanks for making the sacrifice for coming to this country and giving us the opportunity. Jealousy kills and breeds hate like this....either way we will still enjoy our 5000 sq ft homes and 250k driveway full of cars :)

Nice troll attempt.

You get a 1/10 for making me respond though.

PaxCanadiana said...

you are a genuine idiot first of white people which are illegal to canada were only here for 500 years illegally as you people are told off today even by natives to leave their soil yet you insist on staying and placing them on reserves.you people should go back to europe from what i know whites had nothing for starters and put up borders wh

...ah f**k it. Why should I even bother?

Anonymous said...

Hey i'm an Indian who has lived in Brampton for 20 years. I feel that immigrants are taking up to much space in Brampton. Brampton has transformed to a place for real eastaters to make wealth off of. There are to many homes being built in Brampton, which should stop. I was reading some commentes that Indians are just lazy people, that always dosen't always have to be true.

Anonymous said...

This post is so stupid. I live in Brampton for 5 years, India is very populated country, Canada is oppurtunity for us to have large families in canada and not be in poor enviroment for kids to grow. I find white children are bad influences on our kids and maybe should have a school seperate to keep them together seperate. My 7 grandchildren shouldnt be exposed to that in my city.

Anonymous said...

fn white illegal retards Indians are indigenous and that goes for india too as there are over 500 tribes in india alone and aboriginals come from there besides hindus.the dalits are aborignals . you white illegal trash are colonial swines who need to leave north and south America,south Africa,new Zealand,australia. even more so Europe was a black moors land before whites so if there is a race war you white devils are going to get whats coming to you.GET OFF OUR SOIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

all you white illegal trash GET OFF OUR LAND YOU ARE THE ILLEGAL AND EUROPE IS NOT NORTH AMERICA YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL ON INDIAN LAND SINCE 200 YEARS IN KA-NA-DA AND ILLEGAL IN AMERICA SINCE 1492 GET OFF OUR TERRITORY!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

you white trash had nothing nothing was yours and you want a war we will give you one as every race wants you dead! 2 thirds of the worlds population is non white and every single one of them had been invaded by white scourge of scums . you white pigs had no place to call your home you were the most recent race as blacks and browns have been here longer than you. even Christianity is not as old as Hinduism and neither is Judaism and islam religion. whites killed the lord and renamed him jesus when his real name is yeshua and he is NOT white!you white deviuls are going to get massacred for your sins.its time every race should deport you off INDIAN LAND the true indigenous came from asia originally when it was never inhabited and whites were NOT AROUND so you honkys need to take a hike and LEAVE OUR LAND!

Anonymous said...

whites didn't nbuild anything you people STOLE and still STEALING NATURAL RESOURCES raw materials and you stole every colored persons artifacts and treasury we are going to kill you! you just wait its coming! blacks built the infrastructure through slavery and Asians built the railroads white illegals only made a illegal constitution and charter of rights to suppress every race except for the colonial whites themselves.LET'S TELL THE TRUTH!

Anonymous said...

I am sick of east indians coming to this country. You can't deal with these people. They stick to themselves and deal in there communitie!. Well guess what you fucken rag heads this is canada.

Go back to punjab and dehli where you fucken belong.

I live in Calgary Alberta and there taking over here as well. they don't speak English and don't associate with anybody that isn't white. There the fucken scum of the world and shame on our government for letting so many in. I am going to end up moving to an achrage to stay the fuck away from them. We are being run out of our own country.

Anonymous said...

First off the article was written by a south asian himself - probably impressed with the fact that there are so many south asians in brampton (as strange as a reason as that may seem).

Second point, I don't understand how this is any different than any other group of people? Ever heard of Little Italy? Chinatown? Koreatown? Little Greece? All these were formed at some time or another by a group of like people that chose to live together. There is no difference between these groups and what the article refers to.

And Canada WANTS to populate its country. The U.S. (where I am from) is stricter because we already have 300 million people. Canada is a fraction of that yet has a tremendous amount of uninhabited land.

Just like the poor Italians and Irish that settled in the U.S. and eventually assimilated, the same will happen with the South Asian population. Those groups faced a lot of discrimination (esp. Italians - some were even lynched in Mississippi) but they are now a part of America - just as an Indian, Chinese, Filipino, etc. person.

PaxCanadiana said...

I think someone's off their meds.

PaxCanadiana said...

Canada is oppurtunity for us to have large families in canada...

You have large families in India anyway. You don't need to come to Canada to have that opportunity so what you wrote is nonsense.

Besides, stats show that immigrants will likely have low birth numbers as Canadians. And if not them then their children will. This is because living in Canada is expensive.

...and not be in poor enviroment for kids to grow

I'm guessing you're a Punjabi Sikh since all the Hindus live in Richmond Hill, separating themselves from the Sikhs as far as possible.

The Punjab region is the bread basket of India and has one of the highest median incomes in all of the country. So you're kids will not be living in a poor environment.

I find white children are bad influences on our kids and maybe should have a school seperate to keep them together seperate. My 7 grandchildren shouldnt be exposed to that in my city.

Looks like you should have stayed in India and problem avoided. Now, if you go back to India then problem solved.

Ben Goodie said...

I fear it is too late. I don't know who dropped the ball or when it dropped exactly, but it appears this multiculturalist egg can't be unscrambled. In the past, as others have noted, a little bit of gradual non-Western immigration was tolerable, but the scales have clearly tipped. We are being told gleefully that whites will inevitably become a minority in a few decades. Who thought this was a good idea? Are we supposed to celebrate?

Nothing short of a moratorium on 3rd world (ie non-European) immigration will make the slightest difference. But even suggesting such a thing is classified as "hate speech" now by our politically correct gatekeepers. I am pessimistic.

Anonymous said...

A sacrafice to come to this country? Listen to yourself please!

Anonymous said...

I am amazed how many of you think or not sure if it's
Only one person.

For many of you immigration should have stopped right after your grandfather entered the country right?

Who are you to judge others ? Their beliefes,dreams and aspirations ?

We all want to be progressive ...
Charles Darwin theory :survival of the fittest. ( it's the law of the nature) :) so don't complain ! You probably need to up your game to be payed a higher salary if you think others work on less wage. Btw average indian family makes more than any other ethnic group in the USA that I know as I live in the US.

I feel you are just scared of the competition and you know that you don't stand a chance . If immigrants don't move to the western countries the jobs will.

I am an immigrant from India and while my education ans skillset allows me to work and live in any country I want ... And make more than average people living there tell me why shouldn't I . Contributing to the society : .Although I feel I contribute for the welfare of the local communities but I think it s completely an individuals choice .

And please if you think countries are running a welfare program for immigrant you are wrong ... Honesty your parents pensions runs because of the young working class.

Immigrants go through so many hurdles and yet many of them make it big .. 70% of Silicon Valley companies are run by immigrants; and people like you even thought having so many advantages find them selves complaining about everything.

Change and move forward ... Your hateful comments are only going to inspire immigrants to do even better .
an immgrant migh employ you and help feed your family in future and you might be grateful to have a job in the outsourcing world.

PaxCanadiana said...

A sacrafice to come to this country? Listen to yourself please!

I know right! What a joke!

When you expect rewards that exceed your sacrifice then it's not a sacrifice at all. It's an investment.

PaxCanadiana said...

For many of you immigration should have stopped right after your grandfather entered the country right?

No, but we realize there are limits to immigration especially when it means a radical change to the character of the nation and when it is being used to drive down incomes to drive up profits.

Speaking of which...

Btw average indian family makes more than any other ethnic group in the USA that I know as I live in the US.

Why do you think that is?

Does it have anything to do with the H1-B visa program being used to import cheaper IT workers from India?

It's not that you make more than others on average it's that you helped drive down industry wages making everyone else relatively poorer.

While Mexicans flood across the border hurting the incomes of the low and less skilled, Indian immigrants are the weapons used to control incomes in the STEM fields.

If immigrants don't move to the western countries the jobs will.

Actually the jobs are moving out of the western nations but the immigrants keep on coming.

And make more than average people living there tell me why shouldn't I . Contributing to the society

Why not contribute to Indian society? There's lots of Indians in India who would benefit from your skill-set. Have you no sense of honour to help your fellow countrymen and glorify your native land? Or do they rank as lower priorities to moving to a rich society and helping an already rich and prosperous people become even richer and more prosperous since I will become rich and prosperous too. Sounds selfish to me.

70% of Silicon Valley companies are run by immigrants; and people like you even thought having so many advantages find them selves complaining about everything.

Actually it's closer to 44-50%, but hey that's still impressive right?

And how many of them are a handful of coders sitting in a room trying to brainstorm the next Facebook like techno fad; mostly useless distractions keeping us from living productive and fulfilling lives?

Silicon Valley companies are as addicted to cheap imported IT workers as they put their mid 30s employees to pasture. There are enough STEM graduates in the US to support the IT sector's employment needs. It's just that if they can get a cheaper Indian import over a US graduate they'll get one.

Your hateful comments are only going to inspire immigrants to do even better .
an immgrant migh employ you and help feed your family in future


You know what would be even better? An immigrant staying in their country and employing and feeding his or her fellow countrymen and help lift them out of poverty. If all immigrants did that then maybe the third world wouldn't be so poor.

Anonymous said...

First off, what a bunch of idiots!

Brampton is prospering, not regressing in any way.

Property values are at an all-time high, new malls, road infrastructure, corporate head offices including Loblaw. New plazas popping up everywhere, new housing developments. You name it, Brampton is on a complete upswing.

As for the Indians, yes they're extremely family oriented, culturally inclined and money-minded but they're also extremely hard-working, educated and shrewd business-men/women. Along with the Jews, the Sikh dispora is the most successful in the UK, US and Canada.

Thankfully, the think-tank at the top isn't as ignorant as a bunch of you folks. Indian's are a HUGEEE asset to the economy. They bring money into canada, run businesses and create jobs.

You have to take the good with the bad, just like the Blacks, the Indian's will integrate into the Canadian culture as well. Give it some time.

Anonymous said...

i am brown sikh in brampton, born and raised in canada..fk off all u racist pigs. white ppl are molesters and black ppl r theives....soooo shut up

Anonymous said...

//i am brown sikh in brampton, born and raised in canada..fk off all u racist pigs. white ppl are molesters and black ppl r theives....soooo shut up//

Sounds just like a racist indian. indians creating jobs? What a laugh. They come to Canada and shut out others. Diversity is a lie!

Anonymous said...

Hello Fellow Canadians,

After reading through all the comments in this forum I realized that lots of people have generalized negatively about Indians based on handful experiences and given their verdict. I would like to take this opportunity to throw some light on Indians. I am an Indian who post graduated from India and have worked in India, Middle East, Europe and now in Canada.

+ India is a very multicultural country and Indians respect and value differences in cultures.

+ India like any other country has people with background, education and attitudes and hence it is unfair to generalize based on individual experiences

+ Most of the Indians who immigrate to Canada are from under privileged class of the society who come to Canada to lead a better lifestyle. An uneducated person in India doesn't lead a very good lifestyle there and hence look for options.

+ Most of the educated Indians prefer living in India with their near and dear ones. Some relocate to nearby countries like Singapore or Dubai.

+ We are very ambitious and hard working. We value relationships above all and it may look like an unprofessional behaviour. This is the reason we like any other community prefer living together.

Warm Regards,
Nishant

Aryan said...

Pax Canada ,you are not white .. You are not born Canadian ,You are one frustrated south Asian who is taking out your frustration on other south Asians as we all know within these south Asian countries people are divided by race ,language and religion ..Like Fucking south Indian black bastards or states around south India hate north Indian states or then you could be a Pakistani ...Just decide where your father had fucked your mother ,in Pakistan or South India (which I don't call India by the way)

bcclarke said...

I am 3rd generation European, born in Canada.
I have been living in Brampton for two years now. I was raised in a small town about 45 minutes north of Brampton, I would say about 95% white population of 13, 000 people.
I grew up around incredibly racist group of family members and friends. Personally I never understood the hatred. This is Canada, we are a multi-cultural community. I like that we have such a diverse group of ethnicities in brampton.
I don't understand why everyone is so narrow minded. So hateful for no reason... you dont like the way that a certain group of people live? get over it. Its not going to change, plain and simple.
I can not believe that simply blatant racism shown in these comments.
EMBRACE CHANGE
I hope all your daughters and sons fall in love with a race other then there own so that in some time you cant be racist anymore because everyone will look the exact same.
Ignorant sad group of people all around. Indians are racist towards white and blacks, black people( albeit for good reason) hate white people and other races as well.

Get over it seriously this is how it is. Peace and free love seems like a cliche 70s line but for a more harmonious community i would suggest embracing the mantra.
-Brittany

PaxCanadiana said...

EMBRACE CHANGE

I love how Canadians are expected to "embrace change" to accommodate immigrants who don't want to. Immigrants are the ones who willfully moved to Canada so the onus is on them to change yet Canadians are the ones who are supposed to change. I love the new Canada so much! I really do.

If change is so great then why don't immigrants change to preserve the community they chose to move into? If they wish to preserve their culturally identity then simply don't come here. Stay home. If they can see how important it is to retain one's culturally identity then surely then can see how wrong it is for them to impose change on someone else so they can preserve theirs.

But not all change is wanted.

And not all change is good.

You have to argue that the change that is happening in Brampton was wanted which you haven't done.

If it was wanted then it doesn't matter if it's good or not. But if it wasn't wanted you have to argue that the change being forced upon them is good which you haven't done either.

If it wasn't wanted but was forced upon them without their consent then that's undemocratic and evil.

Before we "embrace change" we need to think it through. You don't embrace change for its own sake. It's just novelty if we do which overtime becomes stale and we wish it away. With immigration and its lasting colonizing effects we simply can't do that. The changes are permanent denying us the option to revert to "how things were" if we change our mind overtime. The only recourse then is to move away, in effect be chased off your land completing the colonizing cycle.

Brampton isn't better off (neither is Canada as a whole) because of the demographic changes being imposed upon it by immigration. If you disagree then tell me how Sikhs have made Brampton a better place to live. And to make it more challenging do so without mentioning food.

If you can't do that then how can the changes happening in Brampton be good?

bcclarke said...

I implore you to tell me how you have made Brampton a better place to live? I have many South Asian friends and white friends and black friends and most have added or not added just as much to the community. Your argument is moot.

PaxCanadiana said...

I implore you to tell me how you have made Brampton a better place to live?

In other words you're admitting you're unable to argue Sikh immigration to Brampton has been beneficial to the community without mentioning food.

Don't worry. Nobody can.

Since it's not beneficial to the community then why encourage it?

Sikhs have no history in the country. They're not a founding people. They are an introduced people. That being so there has to be some justification for introducing them into the country.

If their introduction is beneficial then it should be apparent and you should be able to easily demonstrate it. But it isn't apparent which is why you can't demonstrate it. At best their contribution is negligible, like most immigrants, but it can be argued whatever they contribute is wiped out, and then some, by the costs they impose on the community and country.

It's just Sikh immigration for its own sake where they consume all the benefits of immigration by overrunning an established community, assume its accomplishments, and then claim the benefits for themselves. This is just bold faced colonialism where instead of building better communities for themselves in their home country they just move into someone else's and take over the place.

I have many South Asian friends and white friends and black friends and most have added or not added just as much to the community.

Talk about moot points. It doesn't matter how many friends you have of different colours of the rainbow nor whether they have or have not contributed to the community (depending how you define "contribution").

The challenge still stands. Can you tell me how Sikh immigration, or any immigration of the past half century, has been beneficial to the country without mentioning food.

Eric Corpus said...

All Western nations are experiencing this phenomenon. It seems it is being done for various reasons, not least of which is wage deflation. Aside from this benefit to large-scale employers, it also benefits other powerful minority groups, whose behaviour as collectives is much at odds with Western nations' values and cultures.

In my personal experience Indians are the most racist and corrupt people I've come across. I completed my computer science degree here in my home-town, London, and was shocked at the different ways the Indian students were able to pass assignment projects without really understanding the material. They are seen as "cash cows" and for this reason the universities turn a blind eye to the cheating.

Most of those who barely passed were Indian, yet most of those who were employed immediately after graduation were Indian. In IT there is a lot of tribal nepotism taking place, and much of it is by Indians. They are far from impressive in IT fields and this is widely agreed upon by many of the IT professionals I've worked with. The reason we only speak about privately is because to do it publicly would mean you'd be breaking the law. The new hate speech laws prevent the indigenous population from pointing out the racism of the non-indigenous.

The Indians in Brampton, or anywhere in Canada, have no intention of fitting in with the original Canadian culture or people. They are not discriminated against in Canada, nor are they here; and I believe that any discrimination they did experience here in the past was probably a reaction to their arrogant refusal to respect our culture, land and people. No good can come of immigrants moving so quickly into Western nations in such large numbers. It should stop and, where it can, be reversed.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said.Enough is enough.we are being colonized by Asians and south asians,we don't need more,so stop immigration now before it's too late,they breed like rats.They rape our land our gov.system.They drive Mercedes and own big houses,because they know how to steal from our gov.and from tax payers.They have no morgage because the whole village is in a single house and they all collect gov. cheques even those 80 y old grand parents...too smart for our naive canadian Gov.

Anonymous said...

Kanata is INDIAN COUNTRY and by the way aboriginals also come from IndiA(dalits,adavasi) india has over500 tribes. first nations are aboriginals and were in Kanata before it was ever inhabited.whites are foreign to Kanata. LEARN HISTORY

Anonymous said...

What if I told you that native aboriginals lived hear before mass European invasion? Shocking right? At least to the narrow-minded European scums.

Anonymous said...

Is what is happening over in syria and iraq the world's new neo nazis? It appears their multiculturalism is not working very well! For once the blacks and some other minorities have shut their damn mouths to calling whites in canada racist!

Anonymous said...

They move to Brampton area, Live in houses with 50 family members all splitting rent off minimum wage jobs. They lowered our wages because there willing to do shit work for next to nothing. So why hire a Canadian with higher expectations, when you can hire an Indian and pay them shit? So they save up all there money and buy another house, and repeat. They move here and get A1 credit free government housing etc.. I just don't get it. I'm off to Alberta where they are not welcome. Bye, Sincerely Hard working Black Canadian born and raised.

Anonymous said...

This person calls himself a real estate agent but look at grammar:
Anonymous said...
I am a real estate agent and 99% of the time all that I hear from my customers is get me the fuck out of Brampton.All walks of life. Their hated all over the globe tell me why.Is the whole world "racists" or are you just fucken leaches on every Country's society that allowes you to be.
December 18, 2008 at 1:41:00 PM EST

That shows you what a crock he is because a real estate agent would have enough university education to be able use correct grammar to type out a thorough coherent posting. What a loser!

Myself the World and More said...

I'm tired of Indians in Brampton, the only dam reason we have HIGH insurance is because of them!.
We need to put a stop to them and immigration.
I've tried for ever to get my Sister from south America to just come for a visit and i can't even get that.
Yet this Indians come for a dam visit and STAY and get their VISA. How the HECK is that fair?
These people help each other to come to this country, the will go under the law to get there way.

Anonymous said...

Whole Canada is Immigrant, except Aboriginal people, so if people think other immigrant causing problem, look back and see you ancestor they are immigrants too.

Anonymous said...

TOO MUCH INDIANS.. GOV. Please PLEASE limit the amount of east indian people your allow into our country per annum. Peel Police, Brampton and Mississauga Transit, Our City Hall is being taken over. AND if one of them makes it into power, ie. Mayor, we're all SCREWED. I work for the city, and I've heard of indians saying, "When I leave I want my child to get my spot" Think about it. They're leeches. Ruined their country, come to our land of opportunity, and are trying to ruin ours.

Anonymous said...

Im a Hindu. From South Africa. I've lived in Canada for 30 years of my life. I came to @ age of 5. I lived in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan for 13 years. Grew up there, had an amazing childhood there. Great place to live. Between my sister and I, in elementary school we were the only non white kids at school for at least 5 years & it was better that way.

We left Saskatchewan in 2000 and moved to Vancouver. It was a culture shock. I was thinking, where's all the white people. We settled in a community called "Kerrisdale" in upper west side of metro Vancouver. Yes, I finally found the white folks... I've never heard of Sikhs our Punjabi's till I moved to Vancouver.

Being a South African, in South Africa Sikhs don't exist, there are non at all, it comprises mostly of Hindus.

My first language is English, I speak English with my parents, my parents speak English as well, at home we speak nothing but English. This is tough with the East Indians.... Cuz why don't they stop being arrogant and useless and learn the language already. Im living in Canada, an English speaking nation, why on earth do I have to speak your language of Punjabi or whatever!

As I said earlier, east Indians are those guys from India, they wear turbans on their heads (rag heads) is what white people call them & I call them a group of ignorant, non English speaking, taking advantage of the system, ultra ignorant "fucktards", who choose Canada as their home.

Personally, I know a few, but would rather choose not to associate myself with any of them. I grew up around whites, not some terrorist looking mofo's with their long beards.
Im not being ignorant or racist, I think it's just about time your whole group learn to live with other races & cultures.

Btw people, don't ever call South African Indians....East Indians, cuz we're not. Firstly majority of Indians in South Africa are all Hindus or Gujarati and tiny percentage Muslims. The Hindus and Muslims in South Africa live in peace together, it's not like the "shit" you'd find in a slum like India.
All..... Yes all the Indians in South Africa are all mega wealthy & we all speak "English", whether in their homes, work or wherever they are.

Can't the east Indians in Canada live the way Canadianians live, in peace & harmony?????

Anonymous said...

I find all this hilarious. Too many racist rednecks in Canada. time to ship them out to the farm.

Concerned Canadian said...

As a born white Canadian who made the mistake of moving to Brampton 2 years ago I agree 100% that the Indian/Sikh population here is out of control. The thing is these people are rude, crude and do not give a rat's ass about anything or anyone except themselves! I am sick and tired of how they push their culture down everyone else's throats! Now they even march shoulder to shoulder down our residential streets banging on pots and pans and loudly chanting some BS. Absolutely no regard for the noise that they create even after 11PM on a school night, not to mention that if you had to drive someone to a hospital these arrogant idiots would not give your car the right of way! The firecrackers and noise and garbage pollution generated by this race every year during Diwali is just disgusting! You want acceptance...start abiding by the laws of Canada or go back to India! Yes, there are lots of very decent Indians living here, I respect those people...but the ones that push their slimy ways upon their countrymen are not welcome!

Anonymous said...

I'm a muslim 11 year old and when I go to school the whole place is filled with punjabis and I'm the only muslim from the U.S. my parents first moved to Texas then Montreal then toronto and they start speaking they're language at school. Brampton resident

Simon Reynolds said...

I'm shocked by the racist comments against Indians on this blog. I am a white 45-year old male who grew up in Brampton among a large 'British' population (also immigrants). It was a flat, colorless existence of going to the mall, playing video games and getting drunk at parties. I have seen the new transformation in Brampton and think it's wonderful. By and large, in my experience Indians are kind, generous, happy people who bring enthusiasm, industriousness and goodwill to whatever endeavour they put their hand to - which at least partially explains their success in Canada. Why shouldn't they have an area that feels like home for them? Everyone else does. Because of the change in Brampton - my wife and I are now thinking of moving back. This is now an exciting, colorful and successful city. Go Diaspora! :)

Anonymous said...

Most of you people can't write for shit. It's not shit whole it's shit hole lol. Many of brampton's non Indian residents are trailor park trash. Indians have brought prosperity to this city by opening up buninesses and paying taxes. Brampton's debt is quite low...clearly the economy has benefited. If you don't like it get out....the gta is a big place. As for immigration from European countries....it's not always better. If you venture out to Britain there is a problem with eastern European immigrants coming into the country and taking welfare because they cannot find jobs. At least these people work and pay taxes. Many of the run down areas in Brampton are I'm the non Indian areas...why? The residents should working on restoring those areas...they are predominantly white so why do they resemble slums if only the Indians create slums?

Anonymous said...

@PAX

Stop complaining about your man made borders! Life is short enjoy, stop wasting your time spreading hate. Your government is not stupid they are bringing in immigrants for a reason, which you are not capable of seeing. They need immigrants to help make the economy rise, to do all the dirty, labor, manufacturing jobs your people are to "superior" to do. Your own government doesn't care about your opinion it only cares about money, and growth. So you can talk all the racist shit you want, but not a damn thing you can do.

Anonymous said...

I am from India and never had travelled abroad in my life. I completely and honestly agree to the concerns of 'original' Canadians. Canadian govt should seriously check the velocity of immigration. I agree that many Indians live in a house as if it is a village and there must be many other scenarios that would be looking weird. BUT the question is "Why Canadian govt is not changing its policies"?
I appeal to all immigrants that you chose Canada to live because of the quality of life that this country inherits and shares with the people who takes its shelter. So do take care of the culture and quality of this country. After all you came to Canada because it is Canada. Don't (unintentionally) spoil it.

Anonymous said...

I am an Indian and its very eye opening to read some of the comments to learn that Canadian communities are being colonized by ethnic groups. I can totally imagine how some of you feel. I have been meaning to migrate to Canada but after sensing the sheer negativity, hatred and dislike Canadians have for Indians, I am starting to have doubts with regards to personal safety/security.

Anonymous said...

OMG!


I am an Indian married to a white Canadian for over 10 yrs. We do not live in Canada. I don't think I want to live in Canada now with all the bias present there. I would be straight away hated going by the all the comments. No one would think that I am richer than my spouse... will assume I married a Canadian for his benefits not love. I would be labelled as lazy and stupid and living off your money even though I have never claimed a penny and worked all my life.


Important fact: 100000 Indians fought in World War I and 200000 Indians fought in World War II not just Sikhs. Less than 50% came back alive. It was NOT their war to fight. So the least you can do is feel grateful. NO ONE in the western world ever talks about the sacrifice of those who laid down their lives from non-western country.


USA has a much more supreme Indian workforce due to their policies. More than 50% of their intelligentsia is made up of Asians incl. Indians.


Your government should change policies and plug loop holes. So that people no matter where they come from cannot abuse the system. Also, report a crime or dishonest dealing as you are as much culpable.


Yes, all immigrants should assimilate as well as maintain their cultural identity. Older generation people really struggle with that. Younger ones have no excuse. Again immigration policies should change if right type of people have to come into the country.


Sad but true part: Chinese and Indians will rule the world just by their sheer size population wise. There will be no white only places left.


Your country's hope is the next generation ie. offsprings' of these immigrants.


My white Canadian spouse loves curry and hates the bland Canadian food :-)

Anonymous said...

Surrey and Vancouver have a lot of gangs, the most dangerous one being east indian. There have been 80 innocent people killed by this gang in 8 years and hardly a word is mentioned on the national news about it. Hells Angels is also a gang but they never target innocent people and respect women and children. My friend just moved to surrey with her white husband and they have to sell their condo, the gang situation is very bad there. She cannot go out at night...they already had to leave Vancouver because of the Chinese and greed and its too expensive to live in Vancouver now.

Anonymous said...

You're exactly correct. It's against the law for white people to only hire whites but if you go to these immigrant enclaves they won't hire you. If you try to bring up the anti-discrimination law they will just laugh at you. They're taking over Canada and Canada is handing it over to them on a silver platter. It's time we organize ourselves to get rid of this invading force. All countries in the world have armies to protect themselves from foreign colonizers, invaders and thiefs, and we just sit back and whine about our own destruction. I say enough.

an indian said...

umm i dont think u understand that canada is a MULTICULTURAL country

Anonymous said...

I would say thank you Canada for bringing me and my family here, I'm from Philippines who want's to give a better future for my family especially for my children. I'm not saying that we don't have good future in my native country, but honestly I'm no different to any other immigrants were their country are not good enough to sustain their own people because of population and some other reasons, I do believed you guys know that. I think I would not say South Asian but only Asian, Yes it is true that now a days most of the immigrants came from Asia because as you guys already knows and I'm nothing to hide, our country Asia are not wealthy like Europe, Australia, America and Canada. These people from Europe, Australia, America and Canada doesn't need to migrate to any other country because they already had in their own soil unlike us. What they need is just someone to work in their field which I believed us. Racism are everywhere, but here in Canada are far more safer to leave. I worked and leave in the Middle East and I know how they treated us being Christian and may be Filipino as they usually called us from the third world country. I visited India to my Indian friend, he is a Catholic. I learn from him that being a Catholic there is hard, a minority as you they say, He even mentioned me sometime ago that some non Christian Indians burn their Church. So do I need to mentioned China?, they are communist. Sometimes even we like it or not, we have to accept the reality that we are as we are, and we cannot changed that. We may not have a white skin but we also like to leave to a place we're we know it's safe for our family especially for our children and children's children, and one of that place is Canada, yes this is not 100% safe but confident to leave. Yes even I'm here in Canada I still eat Filipino food and talk tagalog, sorry it is really hard to change that and they are not asking me to change that, but I leave in harmony with any other immigrant from any other countries and off course with the original Canadian. Yes I encountered with many racist and rude Canadians but not all of them are like that. But tell me which country who doesn't have a racist and rude people, if you find one let me know and I'am sure that is the perfect place to leave. What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter from were we are a long as we leave in harmony, follow the rules and laws of Canada, don't bring the bad things from your native country that will not suit and harm Canada either it is culture, religion or what so ever, no matter what country you came from. Remember the culture of Canada has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom, so if you wish to become part of Canadian society learn to accept Canadian way and follow their rules and laws. Most Canadian believed in God, this is not a Christian rights or a push, but a fact, because Christian men and women on Christian principles founded Canadian nation and this is clearly documented. If some of you cannot accept this, it is sad to say that this may not be a good place for you. Canadian accept others beliefs, and they will not question why, all they ask is that we accept Canadians, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment life with them. This is their country and lifestyle and they will share their blessings to allow us to every opportunity to enjoy this. But if we continue to complain their belief which is based from Christians way and their life style. We are free to find another place. Remember they did not forced us or ask us to come here. We almost beg them for us to be here.

Anonymous said...

LOL.....so all of you Idoits thinks that all Sikhs are Punjabi, All Punjabis are the same and Indian is a racial group. This is hilarious.

I am a Sikh and My Great Grandfather was from West Punjab ( this part of Punjab is now in Pakistan after India was divided immediately after decolonization). His Father was in the Army and died fighting in France during WW1 and his family never got his body back because he was buried in a mass grave by Germans. He then also pursued a Career in the Army just like his father as an Engineer and married my Great Grandmother, who was a Nurse in the Army. They both fought in WW2 and my great grandfather was deployed in Mesopotamia and my Great Grandmother volunteered for the Burma Campaign. Later on they immigrated to Britain and my father came to Canada during the 90s.

Anyways, Just to let you know there are many ethnic groups in India. There are over 800 different languages spoken in India. Countless religious traditions. India is so Multicultural that no western country can ever compete with India in terms of Diversity. No matter how many laws or diversity quotas they may pass. OH yes, I may have some Indian ancestry, but I am ethnically Greek. My Great Grandfather's forefathers settled in India from Greece and his wife was Anglo-Indian.- Sarabjit Singh Callas

Anonymous said...

We are all immigrants on Canadian soil, from one country or another. All of us must understand, when you come to Canada you have to have the following basics of education background, unless you have this basic knowledge of our Country ( Canada ) your application for immigration should be denied / rejected for entry to Canada without any extra discussion, it does not matter what the circumstances may be. Old or young / mother or father / grand mother of grand father. Canada can't afford to baby sit these folks anymore.

Applying for entry to Canada, the applicant must have this basic knowledge:

A: Must read / write English / French language
B: Must speak / understand English language clearly, that we the Canadian can understand
C: Must know the names of our all Provinces / territories
D: Must know our weather patterns / climate / seasons
E: Must know our current and previous 2 govt. bodies.
F: Must know our sports and there way of playing
D: Must know the names of our top Govt. officials current governing party.
G: No right to vote until 5 years from the time of entry to Canada.
H: No financial assistance given to any Immigrant before they become Canadian citizen.
I: in public or in any gathering, all Immigrants must speak English / french language , this applies to all ages.

Take note: our Traditional dress code for all our forces ( Army / Navy / Air force / Police dept. / RCMP / should be enforced & protected, nothing short of that.

: All of the above and any other suggestions should be added to the Immigrants application for entry to our country Canada. Passing marks should be set at 100%, if this is not reached at the origin, the failing person should be offered one more chance after 10 years.

I am an Immigrant, and very proud Canadian, landed in Canada in 1970. Came from India have followed & respected all our Canadian systems and have enjoyed all the givings of this land, In return I salute to Maple leaf flag. " when you are in Rome , do as the Romans do" Our Canadian govt. has the obligation to enforce our rules of this land, which are now in jeopardy, and are being played by East Indian immigrants and other immigrants.

This message is meant well to all of us. I hope any one who is reading it will understand it. Most of those in Govt. who are not showing any back bone at all, all in the name of getting votes.

East Indians, Old and young alike are ripping our soft Canadian nature, and abusing our traditions in a big way. I say to our Govt. stop this fucking nonsense now, and not later.

Our Canadian passports / visa are being sold in curry house in meetings. just where is our Govt. ?

Stop !! taking anymore East Indian and other Immigrant to our land of this wonderful country of Canada. 65% of these people can not do a daily business in Canada,because of the the language problem. I am frustrated with these folks coming here taking our tax money and laughing all the way to our banks.

I am a small businessman, and visit Toronto and many other major cities in Canada, it's breaking me down to see that all the security is handled / mismanaged by " East Indians " , who have no idea where our country began " PEI " how pitiful is that !

It's time our central Govt. woke up and took back what is our ( Canada ), or you will be seeing the Indian flag flying over Ottawa soon

look it , my fellow Canadians , if you don't take care what you have, you will not have any thing to take of, in the very near future: My Origin is of an East Indian man, but I am a proud Canadian, and would put my life on the line if, Canada needed it. Amen.

Anonymous said...

"However they don't seem to realize or care that someone was already living where they settled. They don't seem to care that the cultural and ethnic transformations they bring to a community or region displaces the host population, making them strangers in their own land".

Hmm thats exactly what white people did to the native americans. White people have the worst case of cognitive dissonance I have ever seen. Another thing, unlike latinos in america, YOU guys brought these immigrants to Canada. Thank the trudeaus for that.

Anonymous said...

The real Canadian spirit...
One blogger said: "the whole point of immigrating to another country is to have a better life and try to adopt the culture of that new country you are moving to...and later... IT will require a willingness of newcomers to embrace INTEGRATION and those already here to practice TOLERANCE" (applause...)

That has to be the most retarded brain fart I have read in a long while.
Let me enlighten the narrow minded bigots:
Lets say that YOUR wife demands a better lifestyle and you also have your eye on that boat you have always dreamed of. Soon your kids will be ready to go to college and your current job just doesn't cut it any more. Now, Lets just say that your blue collar buddy tells you about this new opportunity that just opened up near the city Casino guaranteeing double of what you are currently making, and scoring the job is also easy. So now then, what will you do? and for that matter the rest of the people who discover this opportunity. My guess is that all of you will flock to this job like there's no tomorrow.

Now lets just say that Canada opens its immigration doors, for whatever reason, and its not difficult to avail this opportunity as well. Can you guess what all the people who find this opportunity will do? Exactly...

So just as your shiny new job won't care about your culture and will be inclusive of you for the year end Christmas party, etc., current Canadians shouldn't worry about new immigrants changing their culture...as long as the immigrants are serving the purpose of the immigration program.

So, all idiots moaning about culture and curry smells should ask themselves: What is the purpose of Canada's immigration program and what are its policies? If the current immigrant base is not meeting these demands then where are the gaps and how can we fill them.

Grow up and think like adults instead of promoting a lynch mob mentality. Learn what the current and future challenges are that Canadians are facing. Write letters/emails to your area Councillors and demand immigration related information. Make your preferences and concerns known. Hold your politicians responsible for their election promises. Get involved.
Be smart...
and most of all Be Cool...just because the face in the window next door isn't white is no reason to get your knockers in a twist.
I know that beer with your buddies tastes great but so does the victory when you become more enlightened and informed. That is the real Canadian way; better informed, better equipped to analyse and more laid back, tolerant and averse to fear mongering.

Cheers.

Since 1635 said...

Im a white lady and Im getting sick of how some of these Indians treat people when you go to their corner stores. I have had issues in Ottawa. One store I have bought a lot in the past year there on storm days etc and they were always very nice. But whenever I buy a big bag of chips (there is a sign that states 3 for 5 dollars or one for two dollars), I always only want one bag is I live alone. When I get to the cash they push and push for me to buy 3 bags.FIrst they point it out to me, did you see the sign, then they push and push. I am furious now about this. The last time it was two the owner and another indian (they never hire any other race but their own and this also makes me angry and is insulting to me). So this last time he made a fool out of me, pushing for me to buy 3 bags, and I told him I don't want 3 bags I want ONE BAG and its my choice! So then he shutup. It shows all he cares about is making more money he does not care about abusing the customer. In Canada your not suppose to upset the damn customer, your suppose to please them, its not about YOU and YOUR BANK ACCOUNT it about the customer, but these guys just don't get it. I wont go back there. And they are sneaky too they will say 3 for 5 dollars and charge half the price for ONE, when its suppose to be divided by THREE, so its really deceiving. I also don't like how they seem to think they are superior because they are male, well your in the wrong nation because in this nation women are the superior ones! Trust me!

Anonymous said...

I work in Brampton for a well known laboratory. I am Canadian with middle Eastern decent, and I can say that the majority parts of Brampton are not part of Canada anymore. No matter where you go, whether restaurants, banks, supermarkets, practically anywhere I am greeted by fellow immigrant East Indians. This is not Canada nor is it representative of Ontario, this is a province of India. Race is not the issue, but for a culture to have the nerve to bring their barbaric customs such as killing any girl before a boy is born is ludacris. My wife is Persian and she always tells me that Indian are back stabbers and I always disagreed with her. After working with them, I believe her now. They will befriend you purposely to find something to get you in trouble, and they will talk behind your back in their language and think you don't know what they're saying....

Anonymous said...

I just want to know if we can overthrow this immagration system and deport 90 percent of this trash that Canada has taken in the last 30 years along with their children. And seize all assets

stoppunjabiimmigration said...

They are scam artists!!! My ex-wife married her cuz so he can come to Canada (Brampton) and eventually he will bring his family so they can immigrate here and enjoy the benefits of our great country. They also live in there own punjabi world here and do not associate with any one else who are not Sikh or punjabi!!!

Anonymous said...

I just went to a new release of homes by Regal Crest and the agent on site said there were "Indians camping overnight to secure the homes." I was in a line and I was surrounded by dozens Sikhs/Punjabi people. Last I checked, diversity does not mean a population of single group of non-white people. I find it a little disturbing.

Anonymous said...

Brampton Indians are the reason the accident and health benefit component in car insurance unilaterally was cut in half with the premiums remaining the same. They are the reason our auto insurance is so high in Ontario as well. The insurance fraud in this area is statistically off the chart, with Toronto at a distant second. They have made Brampton a virtual island of their own culture within Ontario and soon will migrate down the 401 and displace Cambridge residents along with the Pakistani population exploding from inside. A massive temple built on the edge of town is almost finished - the mother ship has landed. Cambridge in 20 years will be distinctively brown. What a shame, another city going down the shitter.

Anonymous said...

I am an Indian living in Canada legally for the last eight years, first as a graduate student and subsequently as a foreign worker, and I was shocked and appalled by the amount of racism in these comments. I am neither Sikh, nor have I ever been to Brampton, and I have no family that I am planning to bring over to Canada, in fact I don't even know if I intend to settle down in this country; but none of that matters. To most of you I am just another brown-skinned person from an impoverished country, and that should suffize. The chilling thing is, that so many of you harbour such deep hatred for people from Asia and yet you wear a mask of tolerance and multiculturalism.

When I came to Canada in late 2007, I always felt, quite genuinely, that this was a country that was welcoming to immigrants independent of race and country of origin. That being one of the most sparsely populated countries in the world, it was open to people from various backgrounds and cultures, that unlike their arrogant neighbour down South, they realized that it's hypocritical for a country fundamentally built and created by immigrants to shut its doors to immigration. Indeed, the warm, nice, friendly Canadians that I met in my personal life helped enforce this idea, this image of Canada. And that is always how I have described this country to others.

Judging by the comments, this country is also the home of disgruntled, frustrated "old-stock" Canadians who see people like me from third world countries as a burden and disgrace to their country, people who will hate me without knowing me, without even seeing my face, because of the colour of my skin, my religion, my country of origin.

People who believe that their ancestors from Europe were perfectly fair in displacing indigenous people and replacing their culture with Anglo-Saxon culture and tradition, but also believe that because it was THEIR ancestors to have established their culture over the carcass of native Americans, people of other races and cultures have no right to come an settle down in this country. People who have no knowledge of the role played by labourers from Asia in building this country, or people with zero knowledge about the level of contribution made in this country's economy by immigrants from Asian countries. People who are too biased by their hatred and prejudice to realize that Canada needs her immigrants as much they need her, because with her declining population, and her lack of sufficiently skilled people, she simply cannot run herself. People who would accept immigrants from Russia or Ukraine or Poland gleefully but will cringe at the thought of us dirty brown people. People who do not realize that nations, cultures and countries evolve constantly-- that has always been the case and always will be.

I do not know whether I will immigrate and settle down to this country. Probably I wouldn't, for given my qualification and skill set (I have a PhD in a technical area) the opportunities in this country are really limited; and I care too little for petty privileges and benefits to tie myself down to a country where my career seems to have a mediocre future. But I would remember this page with its racist rants for a very long time. It's amazing how powerful the internet (and the cloak of anonymity) is, in bringing out the truth.

Thank you, it was nice knowing you all, and the next time you cross my path don't put up a fake smile, or say "how are you". Rip off that facade of politeness and bring out your prejudice.

Anonymous said...

Tell that to the CEO of Microsoft... Who is indian

Anonymous said...

I'm polish, moved here in 86, parents came here for a better life, I don't call myself Canadian but would be proud to call myself one if I was born here, Canada has changed since I moved here, there use to be a flood of Europeans that contributed, today we have everyone under the sun coming here to take advantage of Canada's benefits while not contributing, now I will not speak for everyone but for the masses I'm sure, we have larger issues to deal with world wide like world population its effects to environment, Canada needs to stop immigration, restore a balance, and maybe one day allow immigration at a health pace,

Anonymous said...

There is much hatred seeing an immigrant succeed. You are ok with them coming into your country to do your bidding or do whatever shitty work you deem appropriate for them. They live in extended families because it saves a lot of money and they are unable to obtain a mortgage and it makes more financial sense. They save every penny because they have seen difficult times. This is no different than the Jewish people. Unfortunately now you see their successes which results in large houses and fancy cars and assume that this wealth was achieved by cheating the system (probably due to your own insecurity) however you did not see the hardship and sacrifice that they made to make and save the money and to save for future generations. You seen the sense of community and feel excluded, do you wonder why? It is not because of their hatred towards whites, there is nothing more than an Indian would want than having some true white friends. It is because of fear. Stories of immigrants from the 60s 70s and 80s that came to this country and treated like trash. Excluded from social circles and was only invited as the token brown guy. I remember many year's ago hearing a white group mention how cute it was that someone invited the Indian immigrant to the party. How demeaning!

Now here we are. Population growth is a key to maintain our economy and the government knows that. We are so selfish that we cannot sacrifice our luxuries even to have children. So what do we do?? HAVE KIDS!!

There will be no need for immigrants.

From a brown dude that looks white born and raised in Brampton

Anonymous said...

Dark Brown, Light Brown and turbaned East Indians are the representatives of a greater Indian Phenomenon happening in Asia. India is the World's third largest economy in terms of purchasing power parity GDP. India is a great civilization in the modern world and people from India have the potential to achieve great heights. Look at the statistics, East Indians are one of the most accomplished group of immigrants in the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_the_United_States). Similar statistics can be drawn in Canada from the legally immigrated skilled workers of India. India has one of the best professional armed forces in the world. India is a country which can defend itself in case of war unlike many countries which are looking for allies to defend themselves. Although I do have respect for other countries in South Asia, but they have a long way to go to match India's level. I highly suspect that a lot of negative comments in this forum are coming from Canadians of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Sri Lankan descent. It is going to be painful for many other races to look at the India's rise, Indians might look arrogant, unhygienic, corrupt, etc. But the truth is India is the only big economy in the World which is growing. How can Canada make bigger strides without creating a bond with a great economic power of Asia....?
Here commentators are looking quite frustrated from South Asians, but you have to realize that South Asia is a mini continent and people you see around you are from different places in Indian Subcontinent. It is difficult to generalize people. Europeans from eastern European countries are completely different from their western brothers, although they all look similar. No Wonder Russians are adored by Americans! Same goes with East Asians, Chinese, Taiwanese, Filipino etc. Can we generalize them? Of course not.
During British Raj East Indians never complained that why white people are living in their own neighbourhoods? Although white people were in a notion that they are a superior race than the local population. They also had all of India in their hands, politically and economically. But that is not the case in Brampton, Vancouver and other East Indian neighbourhoods. These Dark and Light Brown, East Indian neighbourhoods are not conquering Canada from the majority population. Here people are trying to live their lives in a notion that their kids might have better opportunities than they had.
It always feels great (from majority prospective) when you start worrying about the face of Canada in the future. Especially if you are living in the ethnic neighbourhoods in the GTA. My advice to my white and black western brothers/sisters would be to look at the bigger picture. There is no doubt that Western civilization has achieved great heights and with all respect that is going to continue but without taking big countries like India, China, Russia, South Africa, Brazil, Indonesia etc., together it would be difficult to achieve even bigger heights. The Canadian Government is on the right path by bringing in smart and capable people to Canada from all the great countries of the World. It means a lot of brown, black and Asian people all around us, a healthy sign of Canada’s bright future.

Anonymous said...

The 'original Canadian culture', I believe, is to overrun the indigenous people of the time and colonise and enforce your values and rules and opinions on them. That being the truth, I would say Indians have absolutely embraced the 'original Canadian culture'. You are only whining now because you are at the receiving end, and the concept of smug white superiority that has been ingrained in your collective psyche (quite baselessly, I might add) is now being challenged, maybe even eroded. Anything we learnt about cheating, stealing, defrauding etc., we learnt from the white Europeans. Now that the pupils have become the masters, you can't stand it, can you? Having had our country looted of more than 80% of its wealth by the European colonists (who also spawned the 'original Canadian culture'), we now immigrate in large numbers to get a little of that wealth back. Sure, we'll all stay in India, as long as reparations are made, and all the wealth looted from our country is returned at today's value, and with interest. Until then, we will continue spreading across the world.
And before you say 'what does Canada have to do with it?', for all we know, maybe your great granddad's granddad killed a few Indians in east India before going to Canada to kill the Indians there.

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