Friday, 2 May 2008

Weclome to Milton Ontario. It's very middle class and not very multicultural and that's how they like it. But enjoy it while you can.

I can't speak for the residents of Milton, Ontario so that post title is presumptive. They might not have an opinion of multiculturalism one way or the other but if it mattered a lot to them then they wouldn't be living in Milton. But basing my assumptions on this Toronto Star article I'd say that the residents of Milton don't care about multiculturalism one bit preferring instead small town Canadiana just like most Canadians. Hey, if cosmopolitan and "progressive" journalists can make broad unsupported statements like "the majority of Canadians cherish multiculturalism" then I guess I can too.

A quintessential middle-class community

Milton grew 71% in five years, thanks mostly to its small-town charm and low property taxes
May 02, 2008 04:30 AM
Tracey Tyler
STAFF REPORTER


Welcome to Milton, the middle kingdom. A town that still boasts a mill pond.

A place where would-be residents can choose between homes with verandas on Court St. or subdivision living near big box stores.

Thirty minutes from Toronto, its backyard is the Niagara Escarpment.

"It's small enough that it feels like a small town, but there's everything here that you need," said Holly Young who, with husband Shawn and their 11-month-old daughter Makayla, moved here last fall.

Judging by the latest census results, plenty of others, much like Goldilocks, also seem to consider Milton just right. While other GTA municipalities are losing middle-income earners, Milton's gaining and can lay claim to being the quintessential middle-class community.

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The town's also seen some big changes – besides the arrival of Wal-Mart or the expansion of the "Milton Hilton," as the Maplehurst "superjail" is affectionately known. Milton grew 71 per cent between 2001 and 2006, from 31,471 to 53,939.

Cheaper housing prices have attracted a lot of people to Milton but many long time residents appear to long for that once small town feel that is slowing disappearing before their eyes. This is illustrated in this comment:

"You talk to some people (about the town's surging population and popularity) and they say, `It's not Milton anymore,'" said café owner Kimberly English. "But you still have that warm, fuzzy thing."

In many parts of Toronto I feel like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz when she said "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore." Rapid population growth fueled by mass immigration will eventually erase any small town Canadiana feel Mitlon once had just like it is doing to Kleinberg, Ontario. Mass immigration is the steam roller and multiculturalism is the pavement that treads over and obscures any preexisting local culture and history like asphalt over grass.

That lament about Milton can be said of all of Canada.

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

I just checked Milton's racial demographic profile from the 2001 StatsCanada figures and found that about 97% of Milton, Ontario residents (31,471) were White which was quite unique being so close to multi-racial Toronto.

Then upon checking Milton's population figures for 2006 (53,939), I discovered the White proportion of residents is substantially down to 83% in only five years!

Here are some examples of what continues to permanently change Milton's once quintessential Canadian small-town atmosphere:

Chinese people increased from 155 to 820.

S/Asians increased from 210 to 3105.

Blacks increased from 310 to 1695.

Filipinos increased from 85 to 1165.

Hispanics increased from 55 to 700.

Speaking in code, as in "It's not Milton anymore" does nothing to address the real immigration question that has forever altered the town's once harmonious and homogenous atmosphere.

As the above multi-racial figures increase over time, you'll find what becomes natural in any movement of people -- White flight will take precedence -- leaving another great Canadian town to the hordes of recently arriving immigrants.

Those are my own code words for NON-white immigrants.

Anonymous said...

"Mass immigration is the steam roller and multiculturalism is the pavement that treads over and obscures any preexisting local culture and history like asphalt over grass."

That's a very good analogy!

PaxCanadiana said...
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PaxCanadiana said...

Then upon checking Milton's population figures for 2006 (53,939), I discovered the White proportion of residents is substantially down to 83% in only five years!

Within a generation Toronto went from majority white to minority white. Most of the outer lying communities around Toronto, like Miltion and Kleinberg, will follow suit if current immigration trends continue indefinitely. To those who made the decisions that allowed this, who gave them that right to do that to the host population?

Speaking in code, as in "It's not Milton anymore" does nothing to address the real immigration question that has forever altered the town's once harmonious and homogenous atmosphere.

Cheaper housing is undoubtedly the pull factor working here as well as the spill over effect of the immigrant magnet that is Toronto. But as more and more ethnic minority groups settle in smaller towns they will erase any Canadian flavour these towns had, desiring to preserve their respective ethnic and foreign rooted cultures. In other words Canada must surrender so that others may preserve. Local history and culture is erased and forgotten forever. That is sad and unjust. No one in any position of influence and power has the right to do that. The cultural identities of most ethnic groups are well preserved in their home countries but there is only one Canada and how does multiculturalism protect it? It doesn't and it is actually an attack on traditional Canada and when it is gone it is gone forever, a prospect that delights the minds of some of the most bigoted, small town traditional Canada hating Torontonians.

It seems we Canadians are not allowed to have anything, not even a country and this is at the very root of my concerns regarding immigration. Is it still Canada when the current racial and cultural makeup of Canada is replaced or is it just Canada in name. I don't like multicultural Toronto. It means nothing to me yet where am I to go when I want to live in a Canadian communal environment, often found in small town Canada, when the Toronto model is imposed on every settlement across the land?

For me, mass immigration fueled multiculturalism is an attack on Canadian collective rights and a denial of our human rights, rights that are often forgotten or marginalized to favour minority rights. If this is the "new Canada" then give us back the old one. There was nothing wrong with it in the first place.

PaxCanadiana said...

"Mass immigration is the steam roller and multiculturalism is the pavement that treads over and obscures any preexisting local culture and history like asphalt over grass."

That's a very good analogy!


Thanks. I happen to agree even if I do say so myself.

Anonymous said...

But what about the benefits of diversity to milton? Think of all the black owned fine dining African-cuisine restaurants. The Chinese could contribute to the local music and arts scene. As an honour to Canada they could include the beaver into their zodiac - "the year of the beaver"! Ahhh the joys of diversity. It gives me goosebumps just thinking about it!
Think of all the benefits all those cultures and languages will do to enhance Milton's position in 'the global economy'
I really feel sorry for ppl in Japan and China bc they dont have diversity so their economies will start to tank.
i just noticed that all the ppl in my house all have the same hair color and its all straight hair. So in the spirit of diversity Im going to get a perm today and color it green!
I'm sure my wife will appreciate my 'diverse outlook'!

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for the "True Canadian".Sometimes I also feel sorry for the so called "original Canadians'.Though it is true that only native Indians are the true canadians but still for the white canadians it is their Canada and the immigrants have just taken away the space they once had. It must be disturbing to see the market places full of multi -colored people. To tell you frankly we miss our home country too and have to struggle a lot over here. But sometimes destiny brings people to places the have to call their own and live for rest of their lives.
And I must remind you that Canada would not have been what it is today but for the efforts and hard work of immigrants. The immigrants had to put in a lot of efforts to gain what they have here not unlike the "true canadians".
We love Canada and want to be true Canadians. Maybe 50 years hense the colour of the skin will not matter because for the next generation,everyone will be a true Canadian.

Anonymous said...

Canada wont survive without immigration. It depends on immigration to maintain its growth and prosperity. So people should stop sticking with the old idea of canadiana culture and start realizing that true canadian culture is that of multiple identities living together under one roof.

If milton is changing, its because the true canada (the only one that will survive) is finally starting to impose its real culture on it. I dont understand why people want to contradict really the only choice of future paths that this country has in order to survive. It all sounds very selfish to me.

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Anonymous said...

I really feel sorry for the comments from the real Canadians on this blog "leaving another great Canadian town to the hordes of recently arriving immigrants"

The reality is that canadain Immigration is smart and have found a way to save the geat Canadian towns by distributing existing debt on immigrants. Average virtual debt (taxes- incl consumption tax) acquired by an immigrant is CAD12500.

Zeeshan Ahmed said...

A heaving sigh…”Why can’t we just get along….?”

The fact is that Canada is a changing society, especially the “immigration magnet” areas (as someone so eloquently put it) such as Toronto. The white population may be in the minority, but that doesn’t mean that Canada is being “wiped out”……that’s the new face of Canada…..multi-cultural in urban area, and not so multicultural in suburban areas.

I agree that ethnic groups tend to stay to their ethnic identity…..BUT ONLY FOR THE FIRST GENERATION…..the next generations will blend together to form an evolving Canadian identity….which by the way, is one of the greatest in the world. Look at city kids, from different races and backgrounds….they don’t see each other as “broan” or “white”, “black” whatever.

Whoever thinks multiculturalism has not worked, think again by just looking at the Canada and US 50 years ago, when colored people couldn’t even drink from the same water fountain and a black president was inconceivable. Look at how far we have come.

I’m an immigrant and find Canadians have big hearts and a great society.

Let’s keep it that way by pushing the buck further, overcoming obstacles which are bound to be there and FORGET narrow-minded preservers of “white identity” (cuz it’s not going anywhere, so stop being paranoid, you guys just need a hug and some Indian curry)

Peace, love you Canada.

Anonymous said...

Hi, I lived in Milton for two full years 2006-2008. Before that, I've lived in Toronto all my life. I was born In Toronto. I know a lot of people will get defensive, but I will be completely honest, living in Milton was the worst and most emotionally painful experience of my life. However, I have learned from it, to never leave Toronto again. I moved back. I experienced a lot of racism and so did my family. The neighbours spoke to each other, but never to us. We're Indian. I worked there for two years, in a retail store at the Milton Mall, and not everyone was overtly racist, but the minority who were made it an awful experience for me. It's 2010 now, and I will never forget what I experienced there. I was told I was "polluting the area" and that I should " go back to where I came from" and that "the new Milton sucks, it was better before", much, mcuh more. Well, they did a great job kicking me out. I'm not sure why people are racist. I mean it's just a different skin pigment, why does that make me a bad person? My ancestors may have lived closer to the equator, but just becuase yours didn't doesn't make you better. Some people will never understand. That's life. I'm glad I live in Toronto. I love it here.

Anonymous said...

In regards to Milton not being like the 'Old Milton' of the good old days, might I ask is this in reference to Pre or Post Colonial Canada? Being a History buff might I add that all people in Canada today had immigrant ancestors at one point or another. I think there is an underlying issue of discrimination here (which is obviously stated as per the title) towards certain groups of people who are politically and incorrectly labeled as 'minorities' who also happens to be colored. So instead of blaming immigration particularly in regards to the immigration of supposed 'minorities' into communities like Milton why don't we just be politically correct here and say that Milton is racist and discriminatory (in particular to those who are mentioned in this story) and save the trouble of using ridiculous comments like comparing immigration and multiculturalism to 'steam rollers' and 'asphalt'. And once again let me remind those living in Milton that their ancestors (except for the aboriginals of Canada) too were immigrants to this land and lets try to coexist without being petty, narrow-minded and uneducated.

Anonymous said...

Immigrants from all over the world have invested money in Canadian soil. You should be thankful, rather than be racist.

PaxCanadiana said...

Immigrants from all over the world have invested money in Canadian soil. You should be thankful, rather than be racist.

How do you mean exactly? And can you concretely prove that the average immigrant has increased the standard of living for Canadians?

It can be argued that the benefits of the investments that you are talking about is moot at best, benefiting mostly the immigrant and not Canadians; and thanks to mass immigration, as opposed to modest immigration, it can be argued that immigration has damaged the standard of living of Canadians especially those living in the nation's largest cities. You need to be more specific than just give a blanket unverified statement.

Anonymous said...

resMaybe we could get all get along if....

* We werent told that we can't say Merry Christmas. This is something we believe, and we have a right to religion and speech as well.
* Racism wasn't screamed everytime we dont get what we want. ex. job
* We could keep cockroaches out of apartment buildings.
We are forced to observe other religions but not allowed to have our own. I have many races of friends and all of them share the same views. Stop bitching about our country all the time!

Anonymous said...

holy crap.....the racism spewing out of this blog is ridiculous....PaxCanadiana??...we all realize that you are using this blog as a forum to spew your hate for "the new milton" and immigrants!!! Perhaps now you feel just a little bit of what the majority of those people from colonies around the world felt when the British, French, Portuguese etc. 'colonized' them!! legal or not...What goes around comes around my friend!! the faster you accept it, the faster you can learn to be more productive with your life!!!
Further...you might think you have an argument...but you dont...get a life !!

PaxCanadiana said...

Perhaps now you feel just a little bit of what the majority of those people from colonies around the world felt when the British, French, Portuguese etc. 'colonized' them!! legal or not...What goes around comes around my friend!!

You do realize that Canada was founded on "stolen land"? I'm using progressive language here. What this means is that Canada is a result of a foreign people settling, occupying, subjecting, then ruling an indigenous population. This is immigration's heritage.

So what we have, actually, are people from colonized countries coming to a colony to contribute to the further occupation of "stolen lands". Do you see where I'm going with this? Immigrants are colonizers by simply coming to Canada and by doing so are giving their approval of occupying indigenous lands. Hypocritical don't you think?

It's apparent that colonialism is wrong when it's happening to you but when you're the one doing it and benefiting from it then it's a different game altogether.

Anonymous said...

PaxCanadiana- you sure don't like immigration. Relax pal. I'm sure an immagrant isn't going to reduce your standard of living. Or have they already done so? awww... poor you. Who is more "Canadian"? A coloured person born in Canada or a white person who immigrated to Canada as a child? Who will deal with more racism- the coloured or white person? People who have never experienced true racism will never know how badly it hurts and they will continue to justify why immigration is hurting "their" country. Give me a break.
I'm a coloured person born in Canada. Yet, white people have told me to go back to my country, to go back to where I came from. Where exactly should I go? Racism is insane and I don't know where it stems from. But people who don't experience the pain that comes with it will continue saying hurtful things.

PaxCanadiana said...

Relax pal. I'm sure an immagrant isn't going to reduce your standard of living. Or have they already done so?

Can you provide evidence that immigration has increased the standard of living for Canadians? If it has not and in fact is hurting it, which is demonstrable, then explain why it should continue?

Who will deal with more racism- the coloured or white person? People who have never experienced true racism will never know how badly it hurts and they will continue to justify why immigration is hurting "their" country.

Living in Toronto I can tell you everyone expresses racism to a certain degree. Asians are racist towards everyone especially blacks, blacks are racist toward everyone whom they blame for their own shortcomings, south Asians are racist towards everyone but brown nose whites due to racist impulses. Whites pretend to not be racist but just look at the neigbourhoods where the majority of them live. It's obvious to me the social experiment is failing and it shouldn't continue. It is indeed hurting my country.

Yet, white people have told me to go back to my country, to go back to where I came from. Where exactly should I go?

So, when whites become the racial minority in Canada and everywhere else where are they supposed to go? There are plenty of countries where your racial characteristic is the majority and in no danger of losing that status yet whites are on track to being minorities in the few countries in which they are the majority. In other words whites will be a racial minority everywhere on the planet. What's the point? Tell me what is wrong with keeping Canada white majority and Canadians wanting to keep it that way? Why should we let immigration upset the racial balance? Shouting racism is not an argument.

Anonymous said...

PaxCanadiana- hahahaha, I feel sorry for you. I bet you're an old white male geezer.
I'm white, I came from Romania at age 8 and I love immigration. I love all colours, accents, people. I do feel sorry for you though. You are obviously quite stressed out about non-whites living on Canadian soil. They are doing no harm and your posts are extremely racist. We all shit brown and bleed red. Make friends with coloured people and you may feel less threatened by them taking over your race... you're so pathetic and I would never identify myself with you.

PaxCanadiana said...

I'm white, I came from Romania at age 8 and I love immigration.

Yeah, but do you, and Romanians, love immigration into Romania? It's easy for you to say that when Romania is 89% ethnically Romanian with little chance of that changing due to immigration. But I'm certain you'd change your mind if Romania was being flooded with immigrants from Asia and Africa, threatening ethnic Romanians dominant place in that country. Immigrants love immigration except when it is into their home countries. And if your looking for racism visit Romania and see how the Roma are treated. If you cannot do that then visit any of Toronto's colonies. How do you think the Chinese view blacks? How about black views of Asians? How about Italians views of everyone else? Look at the soicial groupings. Go to U of T or York and do likewise. How many mixed race couples do you see? I gurantee nine out of ten of them one of the pair is white. Rarely do you see a couple where both pairs are not white. Is it that due to racism? I don't necesarrily think so.

I love all colours, accents, people.

In Canada you do but not in Roamania.

You are obviously quite stressed out about non-whites living on Canadian soil.

Aboriginals are non-white and that doesn't cause me any distress. Indeed, their place in Canadian society is being marginalized, yet again, by immigration and that is a concern of mine. Immigration is just the perpetual colonization of indigenous lands by a foreign people. I don't see immigration doing them any favours do you?

They are doing no harm and your posts are extremely racist.

Depends by what you mean by "doing no harm". Do you mean pulling out guns and shooting people? If so then I'd say, on the whole, no they are not. If by harm you mean driving down incomes (as has been demonstrated) while driving up the cost of housing, fragmenting society, creating social tensions, increased racism among ethnic groups, attack living standards, threatening valuable farmland and green spaces, denying jobs to Canadians through EE laws, creating poverty, defrauding the immigration system, tax evasion, increasing wait times at our hospitals, threatening the sustainability of our health care system, and on and on and on. If so then yes, immigration is doing a lot of social harm and it needs to stop.

Make friends with coloured people and you may feel less threatened by them taking over your race...

Truth be told I have many non-white acquaintances and most of the friends I have made over the years were not white. I even helped someone from an Asian country immigrate here. But that's irrelevant to the issues. It wouldn't matter if all immigration to Canada were from Europe. The problem is too much immigration and too much from too few source countries.

Also, no one anywhere in the world would agree with you that immigration should be allowed to alter the demographic make up of their country. Why should Canadians put up with it? I doubt Romanians would.

you're so pathetic

I am pathetic because I responded to your post which is bereft of argument and played the racism card which is used to prevent any discussion from taking place. I take it you cannot argue with anything I say and don't like it so you resort to name calling. Which is pathetic itself. I guess what I am trying to say here is "it takes one to know one". Is that how the children say it on the playground? You should know anon, help me out.

Anonymous said...

I am an Afghan born firefighter and my wife is Hunan Chinese. We love Canada and really love breaking barriers betwen cultures. I don't know what is Canadian anyways. Is it scottish, irish, english, polish, ukrainian, norwegian, german - is there a time requirement to become Canadian. We have been here for 18 years and have decided to move to Milton. See you this summer. I can teach you to speak some Afghan when I come to your house to put the fire out. Is there a nice Mosque in Milton yet?

PaxCanadiana said...

I don't know what is Canadian anyways.

You being in Canada for 18 years and don't know who your neighbours are says a lot about you and the failings of multiculturalism.

But I'll help you out as best I can. To know what a Canadian is is to know what it is not. Since you are Afghan and your wife is Chinese think of what it means to be Afghani (whatever that may be now that I think of it) and what it means to be Chinese. Being Canadian is being neither of those. Now go from there.

is there a time requirement to become Canadian

It takes just as long to become a Canadian as it does for your wife to be considered Afghani were you to move back to Afghanistan.

I can teach you to speak some Afghan

Naw. Afgnani is a useless language outside of Afghanistan. It is better to learn French (or English as the case may be) as a second language if you plan on living in Canada. Internationally Spanish, Russian, and Arabic are valuable languages since regions speak them or variations of them. Mandarin is not valuable, believe it or not, since only one country speaks it: China.

Is there a nice Mosque in Milton yet?

Don't know but it looks like Milton is going to get one whether the people of Milton want one or not.

Anonymous said...

why are white people so racist paxcanadiana? i've only ever experienced racism from white people. i have lived in milton and it's full of racist white people. i don't know how some people can live where they are not wanted. i moved of course. i'm sure that makes you happy. i am of colour. born in toronto. i could not take milton and the racism that exists there. if anyone disagrees and is of colour, go live there for a week and you will know what i mean. a white person will never know because they never have to experience the pain, they just like to cause it.

PaxCanadiana said...

why are white people so racist paxcanadiana?...a white person will never know because they never have to experience the pain, they just like to cause it.

For starters get off of Facebook, stop texting, and learn how to construct a proper sentence. New sentences start with capital letters.

So you moved? Where to? A white majority neighbourhood perhaps? Or one where you are of the racial majority? If the former then care to accuse whites of being racist again? If the latter then perhaps you can relate to the whites you accuse of racism.

You say you are a person of colour born in Toronto yet felt the alienating effects from a society of which you are not of the racial majority. If that's bad for you then why should whites embrace their future minority status? Should that even be a goal because from your experience it shouldn't.

If living in a white majority country causes you some discomfort there are plenty of places in the world you can move to where you are the racial majority. Why should minority status be forced on Canada's white population just so that someone like you can feel more comfortable?

And you may not agree with this but of all the racial groups in Canada whites are the least racist.

What is clear is that multi-racialism, multiculturalism, and all the other multi-isms have socially destabilizing effects that are under-appreciated. These need further exploration if we are to continue down the road Canada's elites have undemocratically steered the nation.

Anonymous said...

paxcanadiana- You're an old racist white man. These posts of yours will accomplish nothing. They are just spreading hate. Look at all of the responses you are getting. Don't tell me you're not a racist because that is exactly what you are. This hate is hurting you more than it is hurting others. Think about what you are saying and writing. Go to school. Take some Anthropology courses. Learn about other cultures and other people. Make friends with people of all colours. There are so many people of colour who are not immigrants and there are so many whites who are immigrants, yet the coloured people deal with a lot more racism. Look up "white privilege" under google. You might learn something. I am white and I love all colours. I know white people hold privileges because it is proven that they do, data supports that they do. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not means nothing. Please stop spreading hate. Find a hobby where you are helping humanity. You will feel that is more worthwhile. Good luck to you my friend.

PaxCanadiana said...

You're an old racist white man.

I must be because what else could I be?

There are so many people of colour who are not immigrants and there are so many whites who are immigrants, yet the coloured people deal with a lot more racism.

How do you know that? Because they say so? What constituents racism nowadays? Do you even know what racism means?

Go to Chinatown in downtown Toronto and see who is treated better: a white person or a black person? And what do you think they say about white people. Ghandi expressed some racist views towards south African blacks, supported a caste system that discriminates against dark skinned Indians yet would you call him a racist? You don't have a clue about what is going on around you probably becuase you have a mosly white social group and live in a white majority neighbourhood or community. If you want to find racism I suggest you start looking for it in Toronto's ethnic communities becuase that's where it is most prevalent.

Shouting racism is not a productive way to address the very real social issues a multi-racial society invites. They need to be discussed because they may prove to be destructive.

Also, the fact that legislation is needed to make that society work shows that those at the forefront of reshaping Canadian society (undemocratically I should add) do not have much faith in it's viability.

I am white and I love all colours.

Yeah, but they all say that. Where do you live though? You see it has been in my experience that Toronto whites love non-whites and multiculturalism and diversity just not in their majority white neighbourhoods. They're disgustingly hypocritical but that's Toronto for ya. Does that make them racist? Actions speak louder than words my friend.

I'll also take a stab and say that you're young and single and marriage and chidlren cannot be seen in your immediate future if at all is desired. At this point in your life you have no future beyond the grave. I say this becuase in my experience as people get married and start families they start to wonder about what kind of society they will leave for their children and grand children. And thus their views on immigration change with it. They have no desire to see that their child is the only white student in the entire school. In that event they will pull the kid and put it into a private white majority school or move to a white majority neighbourhood. All the while fronting the view that they think diversity is a strength.

Find a hobby where you are helping humanity.

So reforming the immigration system so that it doesn't further displace Canada's poor, working class, low skilled, and Aboriginals is not helping humanity? Doesn't charity start at home?

Anonymous said...

@PaxCanadiana

Your arguements are sound. It is very difficult to sit by and watch such a dramatic change in my country.

This change has been thrust upon the Canadian majority by an elitist minority.

Canada is the best country in the world and so should be the hardest to get into. Sadly, we do a poor job of managing our immigration and ensuring that only the best immigrants (regardless of ethnicity) come to this country.

Anonymous said...

This complaining about some non-existant political correctness is getting annoying.

I always hear this lie about "we can't say merry christmas". Lies lies, and outright lies.

I see Merry Christmas everywhere, hear it everywhere. You take one complaint from some kook somewhere, that you read about in an article, and you start spreading lies about not being allowed to say Merry Christmas. Absolute lies designed to put down all immigrants.

You really ought to be ashamed of yourself for being such a bald-faced outright liar.

Anonymous said...

Hi iam moving to milton from bramptom and i want to know if theres any black haired people not to be mean but will i fit in.I am going to be known as the new girl because of moving in january.So please answer.

PaxCanadiana said...

Hi iam moving to milton from bramptom and i want to know if theres any black haired people not to be mean but will i fit in.I am going to be known as the new girl because of moving in january.So please answer.

I can't honestly answer that but I will say with confidence that in time "black haired people" will be everyone who lives in Canada.

Is that diverse enough for you?

The subtext of your question suggests you prefer people who look like you. But when whites express that same preference they're called racists.

Maybe now you can understand a people who constitute the host majority would want to keep it that way.

Anonymous said...

when minorities become majority, and they have had time, canada will become third world, you cant take a bunch of savages and expect them to run a well tuned white machine, every country that has their color as majority is proof of what a races presence brings, whether it be good, or bad.

pigment is just a sign, of what they really are, direct correlation.

it will be sad to see all white positive sociology, womens rights, less or no corruption, peacefulness, caring, consideration, animal rights, technological and medical advancements, etc disappear.

its a friendly, peaceful invasion, fight it, no matter how ignorant and in the clouds you are.

Anonymous said...

I'm white, Canadian born, my family was from the UK. Learning to live with people who weren't white, Canadian born or descended from Scots and Brits isn't going to change that. It's just going to give me a bigger picture of my (and everyone else's) beautiful, frightening, ever changing world.
I can deal with that which is a good thing, because change happens whether you hide from it or not.

Anonymous said...

so I'm supposed to be writing an essay on the perception of my neighborhood and the people in my neighborhood and I must say I'm glad I ran into this blog, I didn't know this was the way people perceived Milton. I've been living in Milton for a year now and I haven't noticed any racism towards myself or family..but seems like you white people aren't so happy about us immigrants. well buddy I just want to say the main reason why there are immigrants in Canada is because they have fled their country due to wars/unstable environments. Canada is a free country and a place where families can raise their children in safety and provide them with a better life than they could in their war torn country. I'm sorry if we've "taken over" your land but seriously dude this land doesn't belong to you white people..God created it for all humans to share so you know what..LEARN TO SHARE!

PaxCanadiana said...

I'm sorry if we've "taken over" your land but seriously dude this land doesn't belong to you white people..God created it for all humans to share so you know what..LEARN TO SHARE!

Didn't the European powers say something similar to all the indigenous peoples the world over when they were taking over their lands.

Why yes, I thing they did!

I'm sorry if we've "taken over" your land but this land doesn't belong to you native people..God created it for all humans to share so you know what..LEARN TO SHARE!

Colonialism is colonialism is colonialism.

What's disgusts me is that many immigrants to Canada today come here from nations that have had negative experiences with colonialism in their histories and to seek independence and self determination from their colonial rulers.

Then they come to Canada, a country created out of colonizing indigenous lands, and say Canada is a nation of immigrants and it belongs to everyone.

So not only are immigrants, and their Canadian born bratty children, colonizers but hypocrites as well. But I have come to understand that colonialism is only a bad thing when it's happening to you. When you're the one doing it and benefiting from it then it's a good thing.

Cobrajet said...

I don't even know where to begin. On the decay and decline of one of the greatest countries in the world to live in, Canada. Unfortunately it is happening all over the world, Scandinavia is the best example of this outside of Canada. I bet these new immigrants don't even know the words to our national anthem? I guess pretty soon we will have to change the anthem to accommodate them also.I Wonder who's tax's will pay for that?
Thank goodness we have true Canadians, like PaxCanadiana to inform us, of what is really going on in Canada.
Keep up the good work and maybe one day, "true north" will stand tall again.

Anonymous said...

Pax, If I had known you've been fighting this thread alone, I would have chirped in long before now.

I'm only now reading all the detracting comments, after my first comment on 3 May, 2008 2:34 PM, and only thanks to your sidebar alert.

Anyhow, amren.com is reporting this week that a growing number of disenchanted Americans are "thinking" about leaving the U.S.

As usual, the comments tell the real story contain may be read HERE.

Anonymous said...

"LEARN TO SHARE!" LOL

It appears the Indians did NOT get the sharing message!

Anonymous said...

First off.. I'm a white, anglo-saxon, 30-something, 5th generation Canadian Male..

I'm a little pissed that the issue OP was originally discussing has been has been skewed by accusations of racism and the like.

Canada (or rather the communities that comprise our nation) are not ethnically diverse. These areas are not 'multicultural'.. What we have are segregated villages where people of similar origins tend to overpopulate (in some cases, far too many people per houshold). There is no opportunity for new Canadians to integrate into 'our' culture if they stick to their own little sub-nations.

I was house hunting in Milton back in February -- let me tell you.. Homes on the market previously owned by 'new' or simply 'non' canadians were run-down, filthy, smelly (by my standards), just a complete turn off.. Face it - immigrants from most south-asian homelands just don't do thingd the same as we tend to. They tend to run businesses or apt buildings in the same run-down manner..

Now - don't get me wrong.. I'm sure if some hindu family came to look at my house they'd be all 'eww.. This place reaks of Kraft Dinner" - but I digress..

Our cities are over populated in general (not due solely to immigration - but that isn't helping matters either).. They should start introducing new Canadians into newer areas -- like the praries.. Build all the temples and what not that you like.. I don't give a shit -- just pay your taxes, operate legally and above-board at all times, and don't infringe in any way upon traditional canadian heritage, pastimes, customs, and freedoms that we now enjoy as a nation..

I was all over the place there -- but I'm drinking beer and typing on a blackberry - so I can't see what I was talking about a paragraph ago.

Bottom line.. Don't fuck with our rights, don't overpopulate by having 12 family members per household, don't expect special consideration or treatment - expect to be treated in the same manner as all other canadians.. Over-taxed, under-payed, fun loving, beer drinking hosers..

End-Rant..

Anonymous said...

This is what is frightening: from 2001 to the most recent census, this is one stat:
S/Asians increased from 210 to 3105. That is happening so quickly, way too quickly. We are only told the 275K/year number, but forget that is nearly a million in 3 years. That makes a huge difference. We are unprepared for the demands on our big cities: medical, transportation, etc. We are going to have big problems with cultural issues: it took us a long time to fight for women's rights, now we have cultures coming in who feel their women should be chaperoned and covered. This has to stop. I feel out of place in my own country. What is telling is when I talk to co-workers who are recent immigrants - most are really down on taxation (of course aren't we all!), but they really don't even see the point of paying any taxes, and are actively trying to avoid paying (lots more under the table). If they donate - they want their donations to go to people of the same culture. How is this going to work? Canadian have a long tradition of being charitable - and when we donate, we donate to everyone.

Lastly, I feel I am going to be forced to move out of the city because of this. This is unfair. I actually prefer the city, my family has been there since the 1820s. Why should I be forced to move out, and live somewhere with fewer services & activities, because of recent immigrants?

Anonymous said...

Great comment, food for thought: " The cultural identities of most ethnic groups are well preserved in their home countries but there is only one Canada and how does multiculturalism protect it? It doesn't and it is actually an attack on traditional Canada and when it is gone it is gone forever, a prospect that delights the minds of some of the most bigoted, small town traditional Canada hating Torontonians."

I'm a Torontonian - and I'm not happy with the situation either.

Anonymous said...

I was doing research into a novel I am writing which in part talks about illegal immigration by chinese triad members which occurred during the hong kong handover to china when I ran across your blogs. It amazed me that so many people have their heads up their arses. I mean seriously an afghani man with a chinese wife daring to call a white man racist! If I, half white and half indian went to those countries I would endure some pretty harsh treatment.. In Afghan I would probably be killed (in a not so pleasant manner).. in China I would be assumed to be a spy hence I would be followed by their secret police and subjected to very close scrutiny.
Some years ago I moved from small town Ontario to Richmond BC on the outskirts of Vancouver. I didnt have a racist bone in my body. When I left there a number of years later I was a changed person. I was forced to be a changed person in order to protect my own way of life. Don't you dare tell me that White people are not persecuted in this country. Take Aberdeen Mall in Richmond where a white woman was refused a hair cut because she was white. Take a number of other malls in the Vancouver area which had numerous complaints about the singing of xmas carols... where the salvation army was forced to stop collections at xmas time because immigrants complained about the members of salvation army ringing their little bells, where xmas displays were no longer permitted because immigrants complained it was bias against their religions. We no longer say the lords prayer in schools.
Indians from across the ocean demand their own form of justice when dealing with their wives and children. Sharia I believe it is called. They demand their wives be allowed to wear their baclava or whatever its called.. to me its a scarf that can be used to hide a criminals identity.
In my younger years I seldom heard of the more serious crimes being committed in this country... now whenever I pick up a paper thats all I see.. and lets be honest the names of those criminals are usually not the names of caucasion born canadians.
Our health care was rated number 1 in the world with our schooling not far behind... tell me that hasnt changed. The reason behind that change has alot to do with the welfare status of new immigrants.
Recently I read about a charity complaining that our government was cutting off benefits such as full dental to new immigrants that were sponsored through the charity... damn shame that they are being cut off of something that the natives of our country dont enjoy.
I remember a number of occasions where I would take a Vancouver bus and I would have to scream at some young asian or east indian person to give up their seat to an elderly or pregnant person.
Whatever happened to the stipulation that immigration canada used to insist upon.. You remember the one where you had to speak english or french before you were allowed to immigrate to Canada?
You want to know what scares me? Look at Tibet & how China completey overwhelmed that country in less than a century. The vast majority of native Tibetans were either forced to leave their own country or they were killed. Those that remained are not allowed to have good jobs and are forced to live like street urchins. Why? Because China was overpopulated and needed to the land area for its own people. Their religion was pretty much eradicated. To me it looks like history repeating itself when I look to the chinese immigrant numbers on the west coast of north america. Why do we allow so much of our natural resources to be owned by foreign countries?
I happened to notice a number of taunts to PaxCanadiana on here, Pax keep up the good work, I hope you realize your not alone in your feelings.
I wasn't a racist until I was forced to be one in order to maintain my own beliefs and religion.

Ken

Anonymous said...

I moved to Milton in 2004 from Mississauga due to mississauga's "multi-culturalism" Milton was perfect up intil I'd say 2009 when I blinked and everywhere I looked I saw burka's or turbans. This is unbelievable. Down at the escarpment is even worse its mostly pakistani and now afghani. Where can I go now. And your right it is unfair that we have to leave our homes and communities because of a flu of immigrants who don't know how to blend with society. I come from immigrant parents and the moment they touched down in this country they adopted the "canadian way" they held on to some traditions in the home but outside it was "when in rome" they fit in with everyone else. Tell me this, can I go to Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi, Syria etc... and walk around uncovered in shorts and a tank top? NO!!! can I build a church there? NO!!! I would have to adapt to their way of life. What ever happened to the good for the goose good for the gander moto. When we can go to Saudi and build a church they can come here and where burka's fair!!

Anonymous said...

Ken and Anonymous I could not agree with you more on this!! Take a look at Brampton the filth and stench of what used to be a beautiful city forcing a lot of Canadian born to move out of a city they were born in!! Not all immigrants but the majority bring their dirty habits with them from their Third World countries!! If no one steps up Canada will surely become a third world country!!!

RK said...

To paxcanadiana,ken and all annoynomous bloggers.

Everyone has all made valuable and truthful points. I am a white male 30 years of age and have lived in Guelph and Sarnia. I often frequent Hamilton,Kitchener and Missisauga and have seen all sorts of things but nothing all that bad. I believe there is nothing wrong with immigration as long as they lead by example and be good citizens like pay taxes and live like canadian citizens and adapt some of our cultures not just their own. I think multicultural relationships are unique as the two people involved can learn and experience each others cultures and have children and teach them about there cultures and any other cultures. Yes there are some disadvantages such as urban toronto, urban vancouver and urban ottawa gangs and shootings etc. For the most part all is well and when racism lowers and cultures work together and get along more it will work itself out and it will be a great multicultural country.

PaxCanadiana said...

I believe there is nothing wrong with immigration as long as they lead by example and be good citizens like pay taxes and live like canadian citizens and adapt some of our cultures not just their own.

And what if they don't? It's not against the law to not want to assimilate. It is against the law to not pay taxes but it's possible to decrease one's tax responsibilities by abusing the immigration system as many in the Asian community do. So how do we stop that?

I don't buy this "as long as they" conditional because there is no way to enforce it to generate an acceptable outcome. Once they obtain Canadian citizenship and they don't lead by example and do dodge their tax responsibilities and don't assimilate then what do we do? Deport them? How can we when they have Canadian citizenship?

This "as long as they" condition for acceptance is too simplistic and ignores the much deeper and more complicated issues concerning the immigration system.

I think multicultural relationships are unique as the two people involved can learn and experience each others cultures and have children and teach them about there cultures and any other cultures.

They can also go to the library and read about it in books. I don't see how that's even a point of argument.

For the most part all is well and when racism lowers and cultures work together and get along more it will work itself out and it will be a great multicultural country.

What a wonderful platitude. Any evidence that is happening in Canada? I'm sure you can argue that it is but I can also argue that it isn't. So if I'm right then what happens to the country?

Is it really worth the risk? We know European immigration worked so why abandon it for an immigration system to service the multicult dogma of which the outcome is not certain?

Anonymous said...

It's 2014! where have I been?!..LOL!
I have read some of the posts and the back and forth; however PaxCanadian believe it or not, you do make a lot of sense, if people would see beyond racism and really read your post, then maybe they can understand where you are coming from. It's interesting Muslims goes to other countries and want to impose their religion, while you are killed for being a Christian in the muslim country....I digress.....I am AFRICAN BORN AND BRED, but I immigrated to Canada from the USA, and frankly just because I had no choice, again, I digress......and I can't live in Africa at the moment, but I really have not enjoyed leaving in Canada. However, after a while, I started to accept it.....you are right!!! EVERYONE is racist on some level. I have my own view of Canada, but that's another story for another day....Bottom line is that when things are in our favor, then it's all good, but when it is not......hmmmm....that is the human race for you!!!......so though people are bashing PaxCanadian, I HONESTLY see his point, because if a white man goes to Africa, he is a minority...... so, caucasians loose any which way because they are becoming minority also in their own country!!! ......but take heart EVERYONE as we are all going to die, so there is no need to hold on too tight to the things of this world (be it immigration, housing, whatever you are holding on to) because we all have but 6 ft. space when we die (in whatever country that might be!) The beauty of HEAVEN is that THERE ARE NO COLORS! Don't you all just love that!

Anonymous said...

I'm a white immigrant of 25 years and it doesn't matter what colour you are, they will still find a way to judge and ridicule. And by they I mean people who were born here... White, black, whatever.

Anonymous said...

I am of a mixed background canadian born living in Milton. First nations, black and german. German parent was an immigrant here in the 50's black/native parent generations for several hundred years+ Natives & Black people mixed a lot over the last several undred years. You may call me a visible minority or think I am an immigrant. You are far from wrong. There have been brown people here before their was white. Just keep that in mind that there are some of us non-whites that have a deep and proud history here that contribute to Canada!

PaxCanadiana said...

You are far from wrong. There have been brown people here before their was white.

Natives aside who are these brown people you speak of?

Anonymous said...

Tracey Tyler ... Milton boomed because of the big pipe water project that allowed vast areas of low value farmland to be turned into high value residential areas not because of ts small-town charm and low property taxes those were present for many years.

Anonymous said...

I for one would move out of Scarborough in a heart beat. To milton. It has become a joke here in Toronto. Just today I have experienced racism from Pakistan males twice today. Oh believe me I'm no weak WHITE GAY FEMALE. they back down when told give me your best shot. From my perspective they are loud and obnoxious all talk no go. But it is apparently wore other places in Canada. I laugh at them when the nice ones try to give me thief phone number take it spit on it rip it up.

Anonymous said...

Everyone is an immigrant in Canada. Lets not forget that. Whether Milton or Toronto.. It has never 'belonged' to anyone but native Indians. So... Let go of your narrow analogy and accept that this is as much everyone's place as it is yours. Racism exists everywhere but not everyone is racist. It's not the old Milton? Why? Because white people no longer have their own comfort zone and that they have always been the acceptable folks? Pleaseeeee