Saturday, 7 June 2008

Is this true? Environics poll reveals 12% of Canadian Muslims feel a terrorist attack by the Toronto-18 was justified.

I pulled the following from five feet fury. And for those who don't know who the Toronto-18 are, or have forgotten, here is a site, albeit a sympathetic one, about them.

12% of Canadian Muslims polled by Environics justify a terrirst attack by the Toronto-18! That is 96,000 Muslims willing to attack their own homeland. If this was Egypt of Iran and the tables were turned, most of us would be in detention centres as terror suspects.

5% of the Muslims polled said they would welcome a terror attack on Canada. Do you know that is close to 35,000 terror suspects?

For God's sake, cut your losses and walk away from these losers and liars who take their inspiration from Ahmedinejad and the Saudis as well as the books of such hate mongers as Syed Qutb, Hassan al-Banna and Syed Maudoodi.

That was written by Tarek Fatah. I know of him and he is a man of candor and so you can take him at his word. Still, uncertain of that poll I googled it and it was referenced here and here.

We all know that most Muslims are not terrorists nor do they have aspirations to be one. But it seems a considerable portion of them do lend soft support to terrorist actions. They may not be terrorists themselves and will never commit a terrorist act but they understand terrorist motives nonetheless.

Again, most Muslims are not terrorists but most Muslims don't have to be. It only takes a handful to cause real damage to any society. With that said, and considering the Muslim community's inability - or unwillingness - to police itself of terrorist threats coupled with a segments soft support for terrorism, do you still think Muslim immigration is nothing to be concerned about?

I do not support an absolute ban on Muslim immigration but I do support limitations placed on Muslim immigration especially the numbers allowed to enter the country.

7 comments:

Andrew White said...

If those statistics are correct then, logically, the only option is a complete ban. Otherwise how do you manage a limited flow of immigration any better? Where will the resources be found for greater scrutiny? What tools are available to conduct the pre-migrant community? How much will it cost? Who will pay? Will it pass constitutional review? Is one community really worth the greater investment? It only took 19 illegal migrants to fell the Twin Towers.

Anonymous said...

"Fully 12% of Muslim-Canadians polled by Environics said the alleged terrorist plot—that included kidnapping and beheading the prime minister and blowing up Parliament and the CBC—was justified."

HuH? Let's read that paragraph again.

If 12% of Quebec separatists had expressed the same sentiment, that province would probably have been placed in lock-down and surrounded by the army within 30 days.

Licia Corbella of the Calgary Sun who wrote about this story early last year starts off in her column by saying:

"In the news business, it’s called burying the lead -- It means you missed the most important or interesting part of a story and led with something less significant."

What should have been highlighted as a major threat to Canada, was instead given a token pass. Above all, Canadians must not offend Muslims who've gained a significant foot-hold on our country's soil... despite 84,000 of them who see nothing wrong with blowing up Parliament Hill and chopping off Prime Minister Stephen Harper's head.

PaxCanadiana said...

If those statistics are correct then, logically, the only option is a complete ban.

That's a possible option but I think we can still allow Muslim immigration via a cherry picking method which would include extensive background checks. In any case we need to seriously discuss whether or not Canadians want a significant Islamic presence in Canada. It is our right after all. No where does it say Canada is obligated to accept anyone from anywhere at anytime. Immigrating to Canada is not a human right and if Canadians are uncomfortable with a large Muslim presence then so be it.

It only took 19 illegal migrants to fell the Twin Towers.

To my understanding they were in the U.S. legally which makes it all the more scarier.

What should have been highlighted as a major threat to Canada, was instead given a token pass.

I think it is a major threat and not talking about it makes it worse. If that many Muslims lend "soft support" to terrorist attacks, what does it say about the community? As the obligatory statement says "Not all Muslims..." which is true but not all Muslims don't have to be. All you need is a few and it's unfortunate that so many law abiding citizens are buried under the shadow if Islamic fundamentalism but that's the reality of the world we live in. To pretend it doesn't exist and it will never happen here may have deadly consequences.

If a single Canadian life is saved because of the decrease or arrest of Muslim immigration then it is worth the accusations of racism or "Islamophobia." It's much more preferable than saying "I told you so."

andrew white said...

Actually, they were all illegal. None of them told visa officials the truth—that their real intent in coming was to fly planes into buildings.

Which brings us back to the original point How do you know what the truth is? How do you find out? And if you make a mistake, who gets hurt?

muktomona said...

I'm a muslim and a naturalized Canadian citizen. I'm also deeply shocked like you guys but can't deny What this article says being a member of that community. I always find it is very sad and unfortunate that a good number of people can support terrorist attacks, more ever on the country where they are living with their family forever. If they don't support but feel sympathy for the terrorists.

From their perspective, it is 90% Arab-Israel related, nothign directly linking with Canada. They interpret the entire middle east crisis as a clash between the muslims and the western world.

Sol'n? I've no clue. You may put stringent immigration on the muslim immigration, but how about the ones who are already in Canada? Remember, the Stat published the numbers who are already in Canada, not the future ones. Can you push them back to their country of origin? That's not possible by anyway, also there are some folks who are born/raised in Canada.

My only urge for all to please don't spread any racial hatred, deal this problem on a person to person basis. Strong law may be made that can impose serious punishment for showing/expressing any kind of sympathy towards the terrorists. What would you suggest?

PaxCanadiana said...

Actually, they were all illegal. None of them told visa officials the truth—that their real intent in coming was to fly planes into buildings.

Put that way then yes but then again who will admit that their intent to immigrating to your country is to do harm to it.

Which brings us back to the original point How do you know what the truth is? How do you find out? And if you make a mistake, who gets hurt?

You really can't but you can do things that will diminish the potential for future harm. Seeing how some adherents to Islam have a penchant for blowing things and people up then we need to do things that address this. One way is to restrict Islamic immigration. I know this is not a guarantee since some dangers are home grown but it is something nevertheless.

When it comes to Muslim immigration we have to understand that Islam is more than a religion. It is a political force and potentially a military force as well.

PaxCanadiana said...

I'm a muslim and a naturalized Canadian citizen.

I don't fully understand what "naturalized Canadian citizen" means in a multicultural society. What does that mean? I know how difficult it is to culturally stereotype Canadians but you have to ask yourself what is it that makes you a "naturalized Canadian". This is a rhetorical question but anyone who is honest with himself will admit that Canadians are a unique people and the legal right to hold a passport doesn't automatically make you one.

I am not writing this specifically about you. It's just that you mentioned it and I never fully understood what "naturalized Canadian" means when some who wears a turban, for instance, and South Asian attire, who can't speak the language, and knows more cricket players than hockey players would call himself a "naturalized Canadian" when there's nothing really Canadian about them at all.

They interpret the entire middle east crisis as a clash between the muslims and the western world.

If that is the case then why are Muslims so eager to immigrate to the west? I find it grossly comical to encounter Muslims who deride the decadence of the west with such religious piety and superiority yet would never themselves live in an Islamic county, preferring instead to enjoy the luxuries of living in the decadent west.

You may put stringent immigration on the muslim immigration, but how about the ones who are already in Canada?

The ones who are here are here and deserve all the protection religious minorities are denied in Muslim countries.

That said I am weary of Muslim immigration not so much of the religion itself but knowing that Islam is also a political force to be reckoned with. I am about as interested in seeing Canada, or portions of it transformed into an Islamic country as Muslims are seeing Mecca or Medina become Christian.

Strong law may be made that can impose serious punishment for showing/expressing any kind of sympathy towards the terrorists. What would you suggest?

We do have anti-terrorism laws but I don't know how effective they are. As for showing/expressing any kind of sympathy towards the terrorits I don't think that is a crime. If so then the entire ex-pat Sri Lankan Tamil community would be in jail for it.

For the sake of freedom of speech and freedom of expression I wouldn't deny anyone the right to freely express their sympathies for a terrorist organization. These people should be challenged in the arena of free thought and not be made martyrs for the cause by placing them behind bars. But the willful co-operation in anything that will result in the destruction of property and the harm to others be it here or abroad is, obviously, not permissible and should be outlawed.