Saturday, 30 August 2008

Chinese immigrant asks, "Where have all the Canadians gone?"

The following is from the National Post.

Chinese stirring the melting pot: Most immigrants from Asia, says census
December 05, 2007, 8:00 AM by Shane Dingman


As an event planner in Hong Kong in the 1980s, Mimi Yeung spoke English for 10 hours every day. Then in 1987, she moved to Toronto. Today, enveloped in Toronto's huge Chinese community, she is frustrated to find that she is losing her English.

"I don't need to speak English!" says Ms. Yeung, who now works part-time as a publicist.

"My accountant, lawyer, driving instructor, doctor, dentist — everybody is Chinese.

"My English has gotten worse. I have no way of getting interaction with the mainstream."

Ironic isn't it? In Hong Kong this woman spoke English with greater frequency then she does now living in Toronto, a city in an English speaking country.

"Every time I take the subway or the streetcar, I always wonder, 'Where have all the real Canadians gone?' " says Ms. Yeung. "I see red people, black people, yellow people — all the ethnicities."

Even though Canadian commentators, journalists, politicians, and others out of touch with the majority of Canadians, go to great lengths to convince themselves and Canadians that a "Canadian is a Canadian" no matter where you were born, when you arrived here, or from where, it seems deep down we all know better than that. And the question this Chinese immigrant mulls in her head as she travels on Toronto's public transit system says a lot.

Were I or any other Canadian to ask the same question she did then I would be dismissed as a racist or a xenophobe but when an immigrant asks that question then it is taken as a matter of fact, clear to the most casual of observers.

Her question is quite telling. For one, it implies that there is a clear distinction between who and who is not a "real" Canadian, that being a Canadian is something more than being a Canadian citizen. And secondly, those "real" Canadians are disappearing, at least they are on Canadian city streets. What she is observing is population replacement. Immigrants are outnumbering and displacing Canadians in their own country at an alarming rate that is best described as colonialism. Because of mass immigration Canadians are being made to feel like strangers in their own country as immigrants transform Canadian public spaces into reflections of their homelands, erasing Canadian history and culture from that space forever. To be blunt, Canadians are losing their country.

What is also telling is that mass immigration undermines attempts to fully integrate immigrants. This woman from Hong Kong can function in this country without having to speak a word of English, or French for that matter, a phenomenon repeated across the land many times over. How can we seriously consider someone a Canadian if they cannot speak English or French (indigenous languages notwithstanding)? This is not nation building. It is colonialism!

Here are some facts provided by the article:

...Statistics Canada shows that close to half of the five-million people in the Toronto census metropolitan area, or 2.3-million people, were born outside of Canada.

The biggest chunk, 1.3-million, come from Asia, including 190,000 from mainland China and another 103,000 from Hong Kong, plus 62,000 from what Statistics Canada calls "other East Asia." About 3% of Canadians now list Chinese as their mother tongue, behind French (22%) and English (58%).

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

"My accountant, lawyer, driving instructor, doctor, dentist — everybody is Chinese."

If you live in Vancouver, even the Police Chief is Chinese-born, and the chief of police for San Francisco is of Chinese descent.

You'll also notice a photo, in the first link, of Canada's Haitian-born Black Governor-General awarding Vancouver's top cop with the Order of Merit.

Although Blacks in Canada only represent a tiny 2% and half of them born in other countries, we wouldn't want to be accused of racism if we didn't place them in some prominent positions at the expense of more qualified white Canadians who only make up the majority at 85%.

Even the Saskatchewan government couldn't resist jumping on this bandwagon to showcase their senior Black-African medical spokesman on television during the recent listeria outbreak. It was just another job that went to a Black foreigner that couldn't be filled by a qualified Canadian or one we refused to do.

Indeed, the question should be asked over and over again, 'Where have all the real Canadians gone?'

Actually, they haven't gone anywhere except to the "back burner" whenever prestigious promotions or political appointments open up for real competition.

Racial politics is the name of the game and "political-correctness" is the referee, so we better get used to it.... or change the game plan.

Rohan Swee said...

"Where have all the real Canadians gone?" I have noticed that one can often talk more candidly about such things among non-whites (professional grievance-mongers and race-hustlers aside) than one can among pc-addled whites, who appear to have lost the ability to see what's in front of their noses. You can find instances of this lady's observation here in the U.S., too, everyday. The child who immigrates to a now completely Sinicized town in California, and asks his mother, "But when are we going to America?" The Mexican-descent AngeleƱa (of several generations standing) who moves to a still all-white town in Kentucky, and remarks how different and better it is for her family, since there are "only Americans here", by which she means, gringos.

Funny, we have a generation or two of white Canadians and Americans who have been blinded to their own culture, and yet non-whites still see it with perfect clarity, and even label it, not "white", but "Canadian" and "American". Funny, that.

PaxCanadiana said...

What I forgot to mention in the post is the woman's question implies that there is a racial component to being Canadian.

What is clear is that this is population replacement pure and simple and debate is needed to see if we want to allow this to continue.

I don't see what is accomplished when the founding/settler people of North America are replaced by a people(s) who have no historical or cultural roots to the founding of Canada and the United States. Will a people who have no part in our histories care to remember it? Will it be rewritten if not forgotten? These are just a few of many concerns that need attention.

Rohan Swee said...

What I forgot to mention in the post is the woman's question implies that there is a racial component to being Canadian.

What is clear is that this is population replacement pure and simple and debate is needed to see if we want to allow this to continue.


Yes - she sees the connection of race/culture quite clearly and doesn't make any bones about it. But good luck on getting an adult, civilized debate going with whites who, despite explicit statements by non-European newcomers that Canada's (or America's) traditional culture, heritage, and heroes are empty of meaning to them, persist in believing that they're all just dying to convert to "Canadian values" (as if long-cultivated cultural values are abstract, bloodless things that can be picked out of government pamphlet).

But somehow, when, e.g., Mexicans in the Southwest say they shouldn't be expected to learn about the Washington and Lincoln, and instead should have "their" history substituted in schools, the multi-cultis assure us that assimilation is proceeding apace exactly as it did with the earlier great waves of European immigration. (I'm sure there are plenty of Canadian examples of this phenomenon.)

Funny, they don't have any trouble seeing clearly that the Anglos colonized and population-replaced the American Indian nations; but if they were consistent in their peculiar logic, they would be deploring the historical "xenophobia" of the Indians who resisted white settlement, and twittering on about how the alien Europeans just joined and "enriched" the indigenous cultures.

It's been a long time since I've driven across the Washington State border to B.C.. Is the inscription "children of a common mother" still on the arch at the border? When the U.S side is completely Hispanicized, and B.C. is mostly East and South Asians, will people on either side be scratching their heads wondering what the hell those words meant? I'll predict "yes", meaning replacement, not immigration and assimilation, will have taken place.

There is really no such thing as a "proposition" or "universal" nation - no, not even the U.S., and even less so Canada. When the original British-derived population is gone or marginalized, there may still be a political entity called "Canada", but Canada will be gone. (And for what? Is it so awful that it it must be willfully destroyed? I always thought the world could use more Canuckitude, not less.)

PaxCanadiana said...

Funny, they don't have any trouble seeing clearly that the Anglos colonized and population-replaced the American Indian nations; but if they were consistent in their peculiar logic, they would be deploring the historical "xenophobia" of the Indians who resisted white settlement, and twittering on about how the alien Europeans just joined and "enriched" the indigenous cultures.

Dead on! The hypocrisy is thick and what makes it worse is that many who say what you pointed out are immigrants from countries that were former European colonies. So, I guess I am to understand that when colonialism happens to them, then its a bad thing but when they do it to someone else (and mass immigration is colonialism) then it's a good thing. We are told, "We are doing what you did to the native populations so you cannot complain." It's a self serving, simplistic and, above all, hypocritical statement.

It's been a long time since I've driven across the Washington State border to B.C.. Is the inscription "children of a common mother" still on the arch at the border? When the U.S side is completely Hispanicized, and B.C. is mostly East and South Asians, will people on either side be scratching their heads wondering what the hell those words meant? I'll predict "yes", meaning replacement, not immigration and assimilation, will have taken place.

I don't live in B.C. but it probably is still there. When the founder/settler European population of North America is replaced such a statement like "children of a common mother" will no longer have meaning. The histories of Canada and the United States and the accomplishments of its people will be forgotten since the faces of those replacing us are not reflected in them. It's tragic and a dishonourable way to pay homage to those who preceded us and established the societies we, including immigrants, benefit from today.

Rohan Swee said...

The hypocrisy is thick and what makes it worse is that many who say what you pointed out are immigrants from countries that were former European colonies.

...who fail to notice that, in their countries, the Europeans aren't there anymore (unless the immigrants in question come from Zimbabwe or South Africa, from which white settlers are being "ethnically cleansed" now, anyway).

It's tragic and a dishonourable way to pay homage to those who preceded us and established the societies we, including immigrants, benefit from today.

Yes, and many of us are fed up to the back teeth with hearing the immense achievements of our ancestors belittled, and seeing our ancestor's graves spat upon. (I note that the Europeans, whatever their flaws and sins, did not sail off to colonize and settle their day's equivalent of "First World" countries - unlike our modern colonziers, who generally make the adventurous move from Third World to First.)

Anonymous said...

I'm one of the about 50% of Torontonians who was born within Canada. As much as I WISH I could because I know it would be of great benefit to me, I cannot speak any tongue other than English. One only needs to work in the private sector in Toronto and take a look at who is in middle management to recognize that "real Canadians" are still VERY MUCH IN CHARGE. Mind you, I guess I don't qualify as a real Canadian, being as how I am, in fact, black, and NOT white, so I suppose I should begrudgingly be happy with the administrative position my bachelor degree got me and just be happy that "diversity initiatives" mean that I at least got hired.

Look, it's clear the racial component is what is most bothersome to you. But immigration has become necessary because of the low birthrate here (and the low productivity that would be sure to follow). I know I am only part of the problem - that bachelor degree I talked about? It meant I put off childbearing myself - maybe indefinitely. Western values at their finest. Rather than complaining about "all the coloured people here," you guys need to figure out a way to better assimilate minorities (since there existence seems to prove such a disturbance to some of you) before you import more of us. Why not make it mandatory for newcomers like Mimi to spend their first 5 years or so within Canada in governnment-mandated areas which are Canadian-born dominant, so they don't cluster so effectively into their own communities? If I seem "Canadian" in spite of my non-white heritage, maybe it has something to do with the fact that I was raised in rural Canada.

You guys spend so much time whining about the "muds" that you fail to truly spawn any innovative ideas. This is why no one takes you seriously.

Anonymous said...

Mind you, that solution I just proposed would require more of you to open your communities to open yourselves to more families who are not white - and Lord knows that would make you even more uncomfortable than the thought of our cities "not being white enough." I predict indefinite whining from the sidelines rather than real solutions to the problem of minority assimilation.

PaxCanadiana said...

happy that "diversity initiatives" mean that I at least got hired.

So racial discrimination is a good thing so long as it works to your benefit. Gothcha.

you guys need to figure out a way to better assimilate minorities

The onus for assimilating is on the minorities or immigrants which more often than not is the same thing. They choose to come here. It is their responsibility.

Why not make it mandatory for newcomers like Mimi to spend their first 5 years or so within Canada in governnment-mandated areas which are Canadian-born dominant, so they don't cluster so effectively into their own communities?

Because we have something called freedom of movement in this country and the Charter prevents the government from telling people where they can and cannot live.

You guys spend so much time whining about the "muds" that you fail to truly spawn any innovative ideas.

Instead of spawning innovative ideas to address problems of our making why not go to the root of it. The problem is that Canada accepts too many immigrants. Solution is to reduce the intake numbers. Second, immigrants are proving to be assimilation phobic and placing too many demands for accommodation on the host society. So the solution is to favour immigrants who will be beast assimilate into the social fabric from a wider range of countries instead of the unassimilating masses we now import from too few countries, primarily the Asian continent. That work for ya?

and Lord knows that would make you even more uncomfortable than the thought of our cities "not being white enough."

And the flip side of that sentiment is that the city and country is too white, a sentiment that is equally racist and one I have encountered too often for comfort. God help this country.

Anonymous said...

adocCan I nonchinese be chinese in china. Can a white be indian in india? Can a white be lebanese in lebanon, NEVER. So if this can not happen in other nations what makes u think it will be different here. canada's base culture is WHITE and no bad talk or diversity programs will change that. You cant change history! My family is white mixed and here 400 years!