Sunday, 30 January 2011

Nanny Abuse, Nanny Abuse!!!: Foreign Caregivers Exploiting Their Canadian Employers. Wait, What!?

I stated in this blog post the exploitation of the nanny program is a two way street. Amidst the many stories that circulated over the past year about the abuse vetted upon foreign caregivers by their Canadian employers this Toronto Sun article informs us that the nannies are just as prone to exploit their employers to satisfy their selfish designs.

Canada’s nanny program is being used as a loophole to get into the country, an industry group says.

“There is no obligation for nannies to work for the family,” said Manuela Gruber Hersch, president of the Association of Caregivers and Nanny Agencies Canada, a group that works with nannies and sponsors.

Gruber Hersch said she worked on a case three months ago in which a nanny called her sponsor in Grande Praire, Alta. after arriving at Calgary International Airport to tell them she wasn’t showing up for work.

“This family had spent a lot of money and had repainted a room for the nanny,” she said on Wednesday. “This happens a fair bit and it was totally devastating for the family involved.”

She said a family can spend up to $5,000 to bring a nanny to Canada since they have to pay for their medical examination and airfare. Once approved, a nanny is issued a three-year work permit and sponsors are responsible for providing them room and board as well as a weekly stipend.

A loophole to exploit the program was created after a April 2010 policy change stemming from a controversy in which two nannies, who were hired by Brampton Springdale MP Ruby Dhalla to care for her mother, complained their passports were seized and they were not paid, Gruber Hersch said.

She said 600 nannies have changed employers in the last year.

Some nannies engage in acts so they can be fired by their families.
Their visa is valid for them to work elsewhere, she said.

The nanny program is akin to the refugee system in that both are the steady inflow on unskilled immigrants who otherwise would be inadmissible to Canada. Since both are avenues to permanent residency and eventual citizenship they are essentially just alternate immigration routes and thus invites abuse. In an earlier post we learned that male Punjabis are the dominant applicants for the nanny program out of India even though in the chauvinistic Punjabi culture domestic duties are the realm of females.

The nanny program should not be an avenue for permanent residency. Nannies should be regarded for what they really are: temporary foreign workers. It is clear, and easily presumed, that those admitted as nannies have no intentions of continuing the work once they are eligible for permanent residency. The article tells us of one nanny who spent more time searching the internet for alternate work then doing her job by minding the kids. I'm sure this is quite common.

Of course, that majority of nannies are Filipinos and according to the article "more than 90% of those who arrive in Canada under the program apply for permanent residency after two years." We can then surmise that the nanny program is nothing more than the steady importation of unskilled female Filipinos who otherwise would be inadmissible to Canada. In turn they can then start importing the rest of their families after a mere two years of baby sitting.

Since these nannies flee this line of work so readily the labour market demand for nannies is never satisfied creating a permanent demand, and another gaping hole in the border, for others to take advantage of. So what we have in actuality is the perpetual importation of unskilled labour, primarily female Filipinos, flooding the Canadian job market who end up competing with Canadians for available jobs and school admissions (to upgrade their skills). Compounding this is the importation of family members who do not need pertinent job skills or language skills to enter the country as a sponsored relative. As a consequence they can have a negative effect on wages and salaries and pressure businesses to adopt employment equity standards designed to deny jobs to the majority host society. I fail to see how this is beneficial to Canada and Canadians. Indeed, it is yet another example of where the system benefits the immigrant more so.

Of course, Canadians can raise their own damn kids or is that asking to much?


Anonymous said...

This is a ridiculous article and the person writing it has NO idea how the system works. Many of the abuse suffered by nannies at the hands of Canadian employers does not get reported from fear of repercussions by the employers. Many employs do not get overtime(imagine if union members got stiffed for OT), they are required to do labours that are not included in theor contract(imagine if your boss dumbass told you to go clean his car or you won't eat that night), they are sexually abused(imagine if some idiot was grabbing your ass everyday), they are misteated and disrespected every day. Yet if it was not for them you losers would have to raise your own rotten, spoiled little buggers on your own. They are a valuable resource for many Canadians and little most good workers are underappreciated. You talk about them being uneducated but they do have to go to school to become nannies in the Phillipines UNLIKE so many unskilled, over paid union workers(bus, mail, garbage etc....) Do you really want to compare them idiot? I can switch any of those workers with people from the phillipines and we wouldn't miss a beat but would your dumb ass be able to take care of 3-4 brats everyday? Hell no!
Would the majority of those union losers be able to take care of 3-4 brats everyday? HELL NO! So if you ask me it seems like CANADA has way too many over paid UNSKILLED CANADIANS already we need more skilled filipinos here in order to work in healthcare(which some end up doing), old age care and youth care since so many Canadian are too unskilled to do this to begin with. Finally jackass just because people change employers means squat, imagine if you had to live in the employers and was abused or mistreated, would you want to stay?
600 out of the 10,000's that come here every year is NOTHING. That's over 9,400+ that do stay at their jobs doing great work but I guess that's not import to you eh? These immigrants came here like so many others to have a better life in the best god damn country in the world and idiots like you always try to ruin things for immigrants but it's Canadians that are the most welfare cases. So give me a hard working immigrant anyday and ship all those useless unemployed Canadian dirtbags to the Phillipines to see what being poor is really like.

PaxCanadiana said...

This isn't to excuse how some nannies have been abused by their employers but my intent is to illustrate how ridiculous a system it is for selecting permanent residents. As has been documented the abuse is a two-way street. Indeed, the nanny program is ripe for abuse. Besides, many nannies may endure the abuse simply because the payoff is too great to forgo.

I won't argue with you that they are not hard working but why should nannies contribute to filling immigration quotas when there are immigrants possessed of much needed skills, like trades people, languishing in the queue? It's absurd. Nannies are, language excluded, a low-skilled occupation. They are nothing more than glorified babysitters if glorified can even be used as an adjective.

Also, if seasonal temporary workers are not granted permanent residency then why should nannies?

And as you point out many do fill positions in health care but I argue those positions will have gone filled anyways. We needn't of imported women from the Philippines, or elsewhere, to take those positions after they have served their time babysitting children.

Simply stated the benefits of the nanny program are non-existent to Canadians where all benefits are eaten up by the immigrant herself. The fact that this can be a route to Canadian citizenship just cheapens it, in my view.

Jenny said...

As an employer of a live in caregiver, this country and our government needs to think of Canadians first, not temporary foreign workers! I completely agree abuse is a two way street and under no circumstances should an employer take advantage of their employee, however, I agree with this article in that we hear too much of employers doing the abuse but what about these nannies taking advantage of their employers. I have first hand experience of nannies not working and going to the extreme of theft, snooping, talking on phone/texting for 3-4 hours in total a day, and basically buying their time to get their open work permit and citizenship. And these so called filipinos who support their families back home, many of you come to this country, have affairs by cheating on your husbands and lying to your childrent back home etc. You lead double lives so please don't paint yourselves as victims. I am not saying all nannies are like this but MANY are so this article is very true in that abuse IS a two way street!

We in Canada are far too lenient, and we let unskilled workers enter the country too easily yet skilled workers have to jump through hoops.

It is not fair to employers who have no guarantees when sponsoring a nanny, have to pay airfare, agency fees, health care cost etc to only be left high and dry with no recourse and yet this foreign worker can then remain in the country.

Canada has some serious issues by letting unskilled people in with pretty much a guarantee of citizenship after TWO years!

And to the Anonymous person who responded to this article, you prove a point that you need to result to name calling because someone challenges or presents a different perspective. GROW UP

k5pmgr7 said...

Well, I guess it’s safe to say that anonymous seem a little perturbed (giving their colorful language I should tell Anonymous that perturbed means agitated/disturbed/anxious)

I’m sure that some caregivers have been ill-treated but the latest reform will not do anything to help that. What it does is ultimately reduce the sheer volume of caregivers pouring over our borders to become Canadian.

Like I’ve said many times, not every Filipina is an angel. I’ve personally witnessed abuse of the caregiver towards the employer. I’ve also heard one employer tell the story how a pile of money disappeared. He noticed only a couple of days after his caregiver disappeared never to be seen again.

It’s amazing. On the slightest hint of a Filipina caregiver not being perfect, the peanut gallery/organizations jump in the air and scream like chimpanzees. Your cause would gain a heck of lot more traction if you were a little more cognoscente of the fact that people believe that every story has two sides.

You should champion reform that makes sense and stop screaming for reform that favors the Filipina. If you’re going take time to make a change, make it a step forward and not a lateral step. I personally believe that the latest reforms to the LCP were nothing short of 2 steps back. However, a less leaned person might actually believe that the latest reform was a step forward.

The best change to the program has never been proposed. Giving the fact that many caregivers complain that they are separated from their families I propose we require candidates to be unwed and without children. This way we can stop blaming the LCP for separating mothers from husbands/children. Another benefit is the reduction of adultery of married Filipinas. For those unaware, Filipino law allows the person being cheated on to kill the adulterers if caught in the act or immediately afterwards. No Joke, look it up.

Next make the program require all arriving caregivers to complete a required course given by our provincial labor boards. The program would center on the education of the rights and obligations of the caregiver. If you don’t like this option then have the caregiver join a newly formed caregivers union. They can have a portion of their pay sent to the union and give them access to a union delegate.

Finally both caregivers and employers should suffer consequences for acting in bad faith. In the case of the employer judged to have acted in bad faith they would prevented from sponsoring a caregiver for 24 months and a fine of $2,500 dollars. In the case of a caregiver deemed to have acted in bad faith deportation with no chance of return to Canada.

As for paying the caregivers recruitment fees and air fare I say this: Are you well?!?

If a caregiver stays 24 months with a sponsoring family then OK but anything less, it should be her problem. The government should hold the money in trust and distribute according to who fulfills their obligations.

Any caregiver or employer turnover in excess of 3 times in 2 years should considered as acting in bad faith and dealt with according to the above described remedies.

At least with this reform, both sides of the equation will be busy checking their butts and won’t have enough time to run around crying about a broken system not to mention dead end writers doing documentaries on caregivers.

I believe this hit the high points.

Jenny From The Biiitch With AIDS said...

indeed there should be things in place to regulate exploitation from both sides. neither side will gain anything positive if nothing is done with how the system works now for those who are honest.

Anonymous said...

There are many women here already who will work as live-out nannies. Agencies that import nannies openly tell prospective clients that all they have to do is advertise for two weeks and that they can put on their sponsorship form. They have no intention of hiring anyone they interview no matter how qualified they are. Yet they are claiming that no one is Canada is willing to take the job.

The most common reason for people to hire an live-in is because it is cheaper than hiring someone for minimum wage as they can deduct room and board. They can also exploit them.

Anonymous said...

The fact that some nannies have been abused or taken advantage of does not excuse, justify or even remotely conceal the fact that people are using the live-in-caregiver program as a vehicle to get people into this country and find permanent residence. Sponsors who are losing out when their sponsees suddenly take off for some amazing reason have little or no recourse, and victimized sponsees do not make for good newstories and docudramas like abused nannies do. The citizens of this country should have the 'benefit of the doubt' over a foreign worker. Why are we obligated to give them citizenship in cases of ALLEGED ABUSE? If they're being abused, why not protect them by giving them a plane ticket home? This would stop a major portion of the abuse of the foreign worker programs. Who doesn't feel for a poor, abused foreigner worker sobbing on a documentary? It's the perfect trick - play on the sympathy of others to get what you want. Filipinas didn't invent this, but they may have perfected it. Don't believe everyone crying foul. Yes, abuses do go on, but the system itself is what is being abused in likely the vast majority of cases. I doubt people are bringing nanny after nanny here to abuse them. Most nannies I have seen (and have worked with) get treated more like family and less like employees. Sponsors are made out to be the callous ones - this is an image the media has helped propagate because, again, it makes for teary news stories of conspiracy, abuse and deception. There is deception alright! Wake up Canada.

Anonymous said...

Well I can say that I know several nannies and have seen first hand how they are treated by their employers. Even those employers who seem fantastic in the beginning seems to eventually treat these poor girls like they are their own personal slaves. Yes I am sure there are good people out there that is fair, just like I know there are some nannies who steal etc. But more often than not I find that these girls are mistreated and though I do agree that there needs to be a balance to the rules, the majority of these girls are hard workers looking for a better life. They need to be protected from being taken advantage of, and there needs to be better protection for the employers who follow the legal rules and make such a heafty investment to sponsor one. I will note that the majority of agencies out there still take advantage of these girls and charge them heafty placement fees which is against the current laws...

PaxCanadiana said...

I agree that better enforcement of the rules are necessary so that both nanny and employer are not cheated by the other but I draw the line at citizenship.

Nannies are temporary workers and should not be allowed to apply for permanent residency. Aside from speaking English they bring little value to Canada and once permanent residency is obtained will eventually join the workforce to compete for jobs Canadians want to do. They then bring their equally unneeded relatives over one by one turning Canada into an employment clearing house for the Philippines. It's ridiculous!

Seriously, two years of baby sitting and you can become a Canadian citizen!? Give me a break! Forget nannies and their employers. It's us Canadians who are being abused by the live in caregiver program. It has to stop!

Anonymous said...

This ridiculous foreign "nanny" business began well before this recent phenomenon reared its ugly head.

First, it was un-educated Black nannies imported from the Caribbean Islands in the early 1970s, trailed by equally unskilled relatives being sponsored after a couple of years of babysitting other people's kids.

Then a "light" illuminated in the minds of many nannies who thought "why look after Whitey's kids, when I can have several of my own, AND get paid by Canadian welfare"!

Just reading about today's Toronto's Black crime statistics tells us just how much that big mistake has cost Canadians.

Toronto's population in 1971 was 2.1 million with a 97%-98% White majority. In contrast, Blacks were about 1/2 of 1 percent in those days.

Today, those respective percentages are 53% for Whites, and 8.5% for Blacks in a city population of 2.5 million.

During forty years of a massive foreign influx into the city of Toronto to gain only 400,000 -- the question arises -- was it worth it?

What happened to all those White Canadians that once made Toronto their home?

Do I hear "White Flight", or is that saying too much for sensitive ears?

So, is Toronto headed in the same downward spiral as Detroit?

ex-nanny said...

Canadian narrow minded lazy ass holes

PaxCanadiana said...

Canadian narrow minded lazy ass holes

And we love you too.

Anonymous said...

"ex-nanny said...Canadian narrow minded lazy ass holes"

Now that you're an "ex-nanny", would you please return to YOUR own country, at once!?

Dis-associate yourself from us Canadians before you become contaminated by our work ethics.

...and don't let the door hit you on the way out of OUR country.


Seriously, who do you think you are!


God help us if the immigrants like ex-nanny become our care givers as elderly or young Canadians; given her hatred and disrespect towards us. It is time for Canadians to become a little barbaric like the immigrants from third world countries are in order to take back what we have graciously shared only to be treated like the racist immigrants are treating us while destroying our culture and reputation as a nation respected for our humanitarianism and many other things good and honorable.

Keelytm said...

You know, I've always thought this is kind of a worldwide problem. Being a nanny is a really rewarding career and I loved doing it. But it's really easy for people to take advantage of their nanny by placing on them too many responsibilities and tasks. I think there needs to be a shift in thought regarding the purposes of a nanny.

Anonymous said...

One of the biggest myths and deceptions in Canada is the one about Filipino nannies. Tried 2 of them live-in Filipino nannies in the past 2.5 years with the same outcome - in the first 2-3 months they'll try to impress you, after that their performance is rapidly going straight down. Very soon she'll find a bunch of her fellows and together they start exploring and exploiting every loophole in the already silly and ridiculously lenient Canadian immigration policies. A lot of them come to Alberta hoping to find a divorced white man working in the oil industry and make their dreams come true - though it's a 2-way street, i.e. a lot of those guys are also lined up here in Grande Prairie waiting for some fresh potential Asian wives. At the end of the day what you get is a poor quality service and the broken English spoken to your kids - and your family is just her ticket to lunch, that's all. BTW, what makes those Filipino nannies so special? How come it's so easy to have them come & work in Canada, whereas if you wanted to bring some honest woman from, say, Europe, it would be such a time-consuming and hard thing to accomplish?
The name of the game is to get a Canadian citizenship and then bring in a dozen of their sisters, mothers, brothers, etc. A "highly qualified domestic help"??
I disagree, it's predominantly just a bunch of unskilled people taking advantage of our politically super-correct country and slowly taking away jobs from young Canadians.

Anonymous said...

Exactly - my parter of 16 years just had an affair with such a Nanny looking for an established guy. She was completely aware that he was married, and apparently didn't care. What kind of person does that? There should have been even a small amount of guilt. I've been through a terrible few months after finding out. Thanks Immigration Canada.

Anonymous said...

I think it is really selfish of the people who hire these nannies. They get the benefit of the nanny, and the taxpayers get stuck with paying for all the family members the nanny will sponsor - siblings, parents, grandparents, etc. Most would not have been able to get in through points (even the nanny), and will only be able to work for low pay, so will pay minimal taxes, and take maximum benefits. One nanny can result in the migration of 20 family members, and it goes on.

Anonymous said...

As a filipino immigrant and hired under caregiver program. Theres no employer or employees will be taken advantage of if we follow the law or whats in the contract we agreed on. But I would say government of canada is too nice to thier immigrants . I read and listen news and 90 % of public offenders are not caucausian. And theres that extension of stay program for immigrants even thier work permit expired. That is nice for us immigrants but why do we need those if u are paying attentions to our documents. Too many things good things this country has to offered but its just taken advantage of. Like if ur not canadian residents and citizen and u get pregnant and lost ur job. Government should not support welfare to it. Coz some mothers here who dont work they just make babies so that they will get that baby bonus and child tax benefits and make thier money through thier kids. Its a shame. They make thier living through welfare. For those hardworking people and pay thier taxes thats where ur money goes to all the lazy ass baby makers.And i do hate to know other filipinos brag about how they are separated from.thier kids to watch canadian kids.. and complain how hard thier life back home. Lol what do you expect when you come here? Lol i feel like a traitor right now but i just wanted people to be fair with each other. We should work for what we deserve.

Anonymous said...

You have a good point about the "baby makers". But as the recent shooting in Danzig avenue (subsidized housing) in Toronto showed us, these are mainly in one community of relatively recent immigrants from Jamaica, Haiti, Somalia, etc. Women have multiple children and fathers. Fathers do not contribute. Life is good as welfare cheques grow with new babies. No point of working as the subsidies would ned. Fathers stop by with flat screen tvs for their "baby mamas", spoils of drug deals. Parties on work nights, Hennessy flowing. Does little to benefit Canada, and endangers innocent bystanders in shootouts. A lot of money goes in to maintain these communities - welfare, services, policing, but little of value is given back to the citizens of Toronto.

Most Canadians are afraid to comment as they could be accused of racism. Politicians won't touch it to preserve their jobs. Immigration lawyers see it as business, keeping the guy in Canada, appealing deportation orders, means more dollars for them. Except now one never knows when one could end up shot in a public place.

It is good to see an immigrant comment. I remember once talking to an immigrant who was angry at the other immigrants from her community who had abused disability 20 years ago, getting doctors from their community to sign off fradulently on disabilities and get undeserved cheques. Now she was seriously ill, and had to jump through hoops to get a claim. She was angry that the others had now made it difficult for her.

Anonymous said...

While not denying anything written above, I would like to welcome you to read about the reverse situation featured on this blog, here:

Anonymous said...

Readng the article and all of the comments, makes me want to back out fr going there. I am currently working here n hk as a nanny and because of the little salary ich s not enough to support my parents medication. I applied there and wld go on june.. I was expecting friendly canadians and anti racist people but tnx to ds article it answerd all of my expectations.. Tho, a lot are nice, some are not so as the filipinos, not all are good.. I jz hope since both sides are benifitting from each other, cant we undersand each other nstead. Why not work harder so we can have the job we want and not complain why other people have it, why dont we file our complaints to d govt itself for a chance to be heard instead of attacking other people nd nstead of hating them, we should be grateful bec we are helping other people.

Anyways, thanks to canada, because of you my life will become a lot better.

johngerad said...

This blog is insane. Don't you know employers don't have to pay a penny to get a nanny. The pays every single penny that amount to almost 4,000, namely visa,medical, air ticket and all the other expenses. So you better check that.

@ anonymous,

Just continue with your application it's a good place here. I'm here as nanny for almost a year now. Good luck.

PaxCanadiana said...

The pays every single penny that amount to almost 4,000, namely visa,medical, air ticket and all the other expenses. So you better check that.

Sounds like a bargain when you can get Canadian citizenship out of it.

How about that? Canadian citizenship for a measly $4,000 and all you have to do is be a baby-sitter for two years. What a joke!

And what Canada gets out of it is another body clogging up our already crowded city streets. If you ask me it's a rip off!

If there were a bargain bin for international citizenship it looks like Canada would be in it.

Anonymous said...

Live-in caregivers are, in fact, the only temporary foreign workers who are virtually guaranteed permanent residence in Canada if they can stick it out for two years here in the jobs for which they are hired. In effect, the program ensures that the caregiver will be able to stay here permanently and bring in their family members without having to meet the usual requirements for those coming here as members of the economic class.

Who does not benefit? The answer to this is Canadians in general. While the program is popular with a limited number of households — in many cases upscale working couples with young children, who can afford to bring in help from overseas — it is quite likely to be costly to Canadian taxpayers in general since the latter have to pay for the social services and other benefits accruing to caregivers and their families after they get permanent status. And since they did not have to meet the requirements of economic immigrants, there is a good chance their earnings will be low enough that the benefits they receive from the public purse will be greater than what they pay in taxes. As one government document wryly noted, the economic benefits [for Canada] are “marginal.”

In the circumstances, the program has been increasingly popular, with a seven-fold increase in the number of caregivers, who along with their family members, have in recent years been able to use it to obtain permanent status in Canada. They increased from just under 2,000 in 2002 to nearly 14,000 in 2010, with another 29,000 awaiting processing of their applications in that year.

Apart from the cost of the program to Canadian taxpayers, other serious problems have been identified. According to internal government documents obtained through access to information requests, two of the immigration offices where many of the applications are made — Manila and Chandigarh — have seen a major proliferation of local caregiver schools that exist either in name only or have questionable standards. Many appear to have been created solely for the purpose of men — which is odd in societies where care-giving is seen as women’s work.

Yet another problem noted by Ottawa is that between 40 per cent and 70 per cent of the caregivers come to work for family members in Canada, which means, in effect, that it functions to a large extent as a back-door family reunification program. This is underlined by the fact that many caregivers apparently leave the profession once they obtain permanent status here.

This, in turn, raises questions as to whether the program is really meeting an ongoing labour-market need or simply functioning as a means of immigration to Canada by individuals who wouldn’t otherwise qualify. The fact that there are sufficient Canadian caregivers willing and able to meet the demand for live-out home care also raises doubts about the extent to which the program is needed.

All things considered, the live-in caregivers program should be strictly a temporary worker program and not a channel to permanent residence. It makes no sense to allow people to stay here permanently and have their families join them when they cannot meet normal immigration requirements. By the same token, it is important that the government put in place explicit standards and guidelines to ensure that live-in caregivers receive reasonable treatment from their employers in Canada and that they have clear recourse in the event they do not.

Anonymous said...

I stumbled upon this blog looking for support from other employers of live in caregivers who are being victimized by their caregiver. Much is available on the flip side but the employers side also begs to be told.

There are some interesting legitimate posts here.

I am tired of reading about the abuses caregivers claim to receive by their employers. I cannot imagine the type of individual that would be abusive to someone they entrust to take care of their loved one whether a child or an elderly parent. It is my experience that caregivers in the program are fully aware of their rights.

I hired a caregiver to care for an elderly parent. I have had great experience until the most recent caregiver. When it was disclosed that the caregiver was being physically and mentally abusive, charges were laid, yet justice was not served. My greatest regret was not installing a nanny cam as the case became one of "he said/she said". Even though cited on the RCMP website that "The strongest indicator that an elderly person is being abused is that he or she will tell someone." This is mere lip service. The courts are not willing or able to mete out the appropriate justice.

Now in retaliation, the caregiver is fraudulently padding a timesheet that claims bogus overtime. I know I can prove this bogus claim but it will come at a significant cost to me. Justice is only served to the rich who can afford court fees or the poor who qualify for legal aid.

Our government is not protecting the employer under the LCP. We employers are not a business in which profits are earned. On the contrary, I have saved the government thousands of my salary dollars by keeping my parent out of the system who qualifies for community access to care.

Employers who have been victimized by caregivers must unite to get our government to change the program and the abuses of the program. Class action lawsuit perhaps?

We need the other side told. Please share your stories. I plan to lobby for change and there is always strength in numbers.

Anonymous said...

Those defending these nannies have NO IDEA of how these nannies take advantage and abuse their EMPLOYERS!!!!! they come to this country unqualified, lie about absolutely everything, come into your house and constantly threaten you for more money, days off that aren't required or deserved take other jobs behind your back, ignore your children and constantly on that damn phone!!!!! All of this for them to be so neglectful in every way...., too tired, uninterested quitting o your becaus eneighbour is willing to pay more etc etc. for that one day. Maybe just one day one of these idiots bring HUGE HARM unto of your children that they end up inside kids hospital for.3 days because nanny fell asleep from either r being too much on her phone and hasn't slep or double dipping and having no sleep. Yep, it happened to me. And believe me. I seen it happen to others. The system has to get better in order to protect our children. Keep your mouth shut if you haven't directly experience a live in nanny. I have a job and I have twins to care fore.....and you know what!!!! Me hiring a caregiver is taking care of my children as. Couldn't do it alone due to my husbands health condition.