Tuesday, 29 March 2011

Diversity Is Our Strength: "Too Black" vs. "Too Asian" (and "too white" is still all the rage).

It appears the idea of a "too black" school doesn't sit well other non-whites, particular Asians. From the Toronto Star we read:

Some Oakwood Collegiate students warn that opening a proposed Africentric high school there could rebrand it as a largely “black school” and discourage others from attending, reducing its cultural mix.

“Unfortunately, some people are racist and I know for a fact a friend who's Asian, whose parents wouldn't send them to a school that's unofficially labelled as black,” said Grade 11 student Matteo Ferrero-Wong, who is of Chinese and Italian descent.

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Senior Toronto school board staff scrambled to do damage control Monday at Oakwood, where student panic over a proposal to open an Africentric alternative high school in part of the building has sparked a Facebook petition with some 320 names as well as brief rumours of a wildcat student strike.

The petition can be found here and judging from the names it appears there is a white/Asian coalition against the idea.

The reason given for converting part of Oakwood C.I. into an Africentric school is to address the 40% drop out rate for black students who constitute 40% of a student body where 60% are non-white. The implication is that the high drop-out rate for blacks is an institutional failure, not a failure of the homes who produce these underachievers. Since I can never recall a time where the black community accepted responsibility for its short comings, choosing instead to avert blame by pointing their fingers at everyone around them, it's only understandable society's institutions are at fault and need correction. But I digress.

Ferrero-Wong's friend, Fadzai Masvosva, is black and from Zimbabwe.

Masvosva agrees an Africentric alternative school “would make the school less diverse because more of the black students would stay and the white and Asian kids' parents would send them somewhere else. Some people say if the population is more black, it makes some people feel less safe.”

Macleans Magazine took heat for its "too Asian" issue a while back from Canada's Asian population. The insinuation was that Canada's "too Asian" university campuses do more to drive students away than attract them. I have personal experience with this.

I once took a tour of the University of Toronto's main downtown campus. In my small tour group of about six individuals there were three young white Brazilian women who were in Toronto at the time to participate in an English immersion program. At the end of the tour our student guide asked us what we thought of the school. One of the Brazilian women spoke frankly and said, in her laboured English, she liked the campus but there were too many Asians at U of T (I kid you not!). Her frankness made me smile but our guide, who was a white male, didn't know how to respond and therefore didn't.

In another instance I was at the offices of The Varsity, a student run newspaper at U of T. I was waiting to speak with someone and was looking around the operation which was empty and quite at the time save for a conversation that was happening in a small adjacent room. Pinned to a wall at someone's desk was a newspaper clipping that quoted the then president of the university. He was quoted as saying, and I'm paraphrasing, that many white students skip U of T, choosing to go to Queen's or elsewhere, due to its sizable non-white student body. The clipping hung there to out white male bigotry but the man was just speaking truthfully and meant no offense. But his words still say much.

Funny, then, to see Asian parents threatening to remove their kids from a school were it to be considered "too black". It seems "too Asian" is okay but "too black" is not.

What is happening at Oakwood C.I. has been repeated in neighbourhoods all across Toronto and the surrounding area. Any neighbourhood that has lost its white majority status has become less appealing to everyone except to those who share the racial background of the new majority. When a neighbourhood goes Asian, it drives everyone out who is not while attracting those who are. When a neighbourhood goes Indian, it drives everyone out while attracting only those who are. This is how the balkanization of Toronto is being accomplished. The only neighbourhoods that consistently attract those of all racial backgrounds, especially Asian, are white majority neighbourhoods. These are the ones that are held up as "proof" that multiculturalism works but as more and more non-whites move in, the more whites move out to other white majority neighbourhoods leaving the one they left behind to become another ethnic ghetto.

It appears racial minorities are more comfortable in a "too white" environment than any other save one where they are the dominant. One has to wonder how attractive Canada will be were it to become "too Asian", "too black", "too Indian", etc. Will Asians immigrate to a non-white Hispanic/black majority United States, or just to the white majority parts of it? Will Asians immigrate to Canada or just the Asian and white parts of it? Canada's white majority status is an asset to attracting immigrants from all over the world. I don't see much value in losing it.

23 comments:

EuroCanadian News said...

Isn't Toronto now the most unhappy city in Canada? I recall a study on that. Putnam's research is right - diversity leads to disconnection.

How convenient that all this dislocation works for the big business types. How unfortunate that small 'c' conservatives get suckered into voting for the CONservatives.

It looks like that's it for Toronto the good. Does anyone even call it that anymore?

Anonymous said...

I myself am in the process of trying to move into the Asian majority "ethnic ghetto" of Yonge and Sheppard. Property values in the area are quite high, so hopefully I can afford to. Wish me luck!

PaxCanadiana said...

I myself am in the process of trying to move into the Asian majority "ethnic ghetto" of Yonge and Sheppard. Property values in the area are quite high, so hopefully I can afford to. Wish me luck!

You do realize that were it not for Asian immigration property values at Yonge and Sheppard wouldn't be overvalued and you'd probably not only be able to afford to live there but possibly move into a bigger place that is currently out of your reach.

Hopefully there are Asian themed restaurants within walking distance to eat at so that might make you happy. Unless, you can't afford to eat out since most of your disposable income will be going to pay off your mortgage or rent on an overvalued property due to Asian immigration. Oh well.

Anonymous said...

If it hadn't been for the Asians, there would BE no Yonge & Sheppard. Don't you know what the area north of York Mills looked like 25 years ago? Save for the government building, there was nothing there! Nothing! Sure, the housing might be overvalued, but the reason there is a thriving condo community in the area is a direct OUTCOME OF ASIAN IMMIGRATION. Lol.

Anonymous said...

"Isn't Toronto now the most unhappy city in Canada?"

Yes, at a rating of 4.15 out of a possible 5, Toronto was listed last. I myself would rate it as a 4 out of 5, with the TTC and the idiotic design of the city being the reason.

While I personally think that the problems between minority groups are greatly exaggerated (I myself, for example, share a house with 3 immigrants of another ethnic group and find the experience overall to be pretty cool), I would also agree that I don't think anyone (minorities included) want to see whites made a minority in Canada or completely displaced. They - well, the non-racist ones, anyway - are one of the things that make this country great, with the diversity of its major cities just being another aspect of what makes Canada a great country, I really don't see this happening. I think it's a question of migration patterns and dispersement. I have a friend who took politicial science at U of T and finished top of his class. His next course of action is the military as his aspiration is to one day become a Canadian politician, and yes he is brilliant. His take on it is that if he were PM, he'd give incentives to immigrants to live in rural parts of Canada for a minimum of 5 years before being able to settle in metropolises like Toronto or Montreal. This would, in essence, force them to assimilate, and of course many of them would stay. If this were to occur, their culture, and particularly those of their children, would become Canadian culture, their language invariably English (though Statscan has already mentioned a trend they felt was worrisome of second-generation Canadians not learning their mother tongue, which they felt was a waste of Canadian human capital advantage in the global market), and there would be no one part of Canada where whites are the minority where other parts are completely homogenous. So I guess my question is, is the concern whites becoming a minority in select CITIES? Because I just can't picture it happening on a national scale.

PaxCanadiana said...

If it hadn't been for the Asians, there would BE no Yonge & Sheppard. Don't you know what the area north of York Mills looked like 25 years ago? Save for the government building, there was nothing there! Nothing! Sure, the housing might be overvalued, but the reason there is a thriving condo community in the area is a direct OUTCOME OF ASIAN IMMIGRATION. Lol.

Why is that a good thing? Why do we want a "thriving condo community" there anyways? Wouldn't a small suburban sub-division with affordable spatial property be more liveable and preferable to most Torontonians instead of the high density, over valued real estate market that Asian immigration created? I don't see how this is beneficial to Canadians or the country since one of the reasons Canadians are having small families is due to the hight cost of living much of it created by high housing costs. But, maybe you can explain to me how this is a good thing.

EuroCanadian News said...

So I guess my question is, is the concern whites becoming a minority in select CITIES? Because I just can't picture it happening on a national scale.

Why wouldn't it happen on a national scale? The immigration numbers just keep on increasing year after year. The Conservatives just let in the most immigrants in Canadian history last year.

Anonymous said...

("I myself, for example, share a house with 3 immigrants of another ethnic group and find the experience overall to be pretty cool")

If you're a White person, wait until you're denied a job or promotion, based entirely on discriminatory practices of employment equity...and then tell us how you feel.

"...are one of the things that make this country great, with the diversity of its major cities just being another aspect of what makes Canada a great country..."

Then why does this blog even exist, plus several other blog links in the side-bar? For example, try absorbing some of this information about Toronto.

In less than 40 years, U.S. Whites are expected to be reduced to minority status. Do you expect Canada to avoid the same fate??

Multiculturalism (multi-racialism) is not a naturally occurring phenomenon, but a deliberate ploy foisted on European-based (white) countries, and only white nations.

Google "Louis Beam" and/or watch this video.

Anonymous said...

"Wouldn't a small suburban sub-division with affordable spatial property be more liveable and preferable to most Torontonians instead of the high density, over valued real estate market that Asian immigration created?"


To the average downtown-liver or aspiring downtown-liver, the answer to this would be a resounding, "Hell no!" Yes, condo prices have climbed too staggeringly high (housing prices across Canada have climbed too high as we are in the midst of a "housing bubble" that just won't seem to burst), but as someone who grew up in a cookie-cutter suburban subdivision, I think you miss the point that we do not move to Toronto to live like it's suburbia. We WANT high-density, high-volume, accessibility (hence why I hate the TTC), organic food markets, bicycle lanes, street fairs, etc. The diversity and having the option is what's so great about Canada. Why do you want all of Canada to look the same? I guess I just can't quite grasp that. If you prefer rural Canada, for instance, more power to you! But why must Vancouver, for instance, look like rural Canada? Particularly if the young people who pour into these cities don't want it to?

Anonymous said...

"If it hadn't been for the Asians, there would BE no Yonge & Sheppard."

Lies, damn lies.

The NY boom occured in the 1950s and it was European based. When Mel Lastman became Mayor in '73 he governed an empty field? What a pile of crap! The Asians came to NY because it was a clean, thriving, prosperous European community.

PaxCanadiana said...

To the average downtown-liver or aspiring downtown-liver, the answer to this would be a resounding, "Hell no!"

You do realize that Yonge and Shephard is not downtown right?

If you want to live downtown then move there. Why should the rest of the city be turned into a high density, costly reasonable facsimile of Toronto's dull downtown core just because someone like you wants it?

Most Canadians, and this is especially true for immigrants, want to own a house, not some cookie cutter walk in closet of an overpriced condo dwelling. And it seems to me Torontonians are getting sick of all the condo developments disfiguring the town; developments driving by speculators and property flippers (and maybe Asian money laundering?), not any reasonable demand.

PaxCanadiana said...

So I guess my question is, is the concern whites becoming a minority in select CITIES? Because I just can't picture it happening on a national scale.

Whites in the U.S. are projected to become a racial minority group by 2040 (give or take a few years). Did you picture that happening?

Anonymous said...

LOL "If it hadn't been for the Asians, there would BE no Yonge & Sheppard. Don't you know what the area north of York Mills looked like 25 years ago? Save for the government building, there was nothing there! Nothing!"

If it hadn't been for the Europeans, there would BE no Toronto (York). Don't you know what the area north of the 49th parallel looked like 250 years ago? Save for scattered Indian wigwams, there was nothing there! Nothing!

Anonymous said...

"Lies, damn lies."

"The Asians came to NY because it was a clean, thriving, prosperous European community."

OK well like I said, I grew up in the suburbs, I am just quoting what the white people who grew up around Yonge and Steeles have personally told me about the rapid growth in the area from there to Yonge and Sheppard. They also mentioned how the Asians have filled the schools to the point where there are elementary schools in and around Yonge & Finch that are predominantly Asian. I'm not talking about all of NY, I'm talking about Yonge and Sheppard.

Anonymous said...

"If you want to live downtown then move there."

I never said I wanted to live downtown. The Yonge line extends from Finch through to Harbourfront, and that which is ON it can't be expected to look largely like the suburbs. Also, I can't afford to live downtown, it's too expensive. Also I don't work there. Also, if there was no demand for condos the sales wouldn't be going up relative to houses, not down.

"Whites in the U.S. are projected to become a racial minority group by 2040 (give or take a few years). Did you picture that happening?"

The US has always been more diverse since Canada pretty much since its inception, certainly since the 1960s and they have Hispanics with their massive birthrate (and influx of illegals); we don't. You said yourself that the Chinese are not replacing themselves.

Anonymous said...

"If it hadn't been for the Europeans, there would BE no Toronto (York). Don't you know what the area north of the 49th parallel looked like 250 years ago? Save for scattered Indian wigwams, there was nothing there! Nothing!"

And who exactly is demonizing "the Europeans"? It's not like anyone said "the Europeans" contribute nothing to the city and don't belong here, let's get real now. If I accurately point out that a community has flourished with the addition of a minority group in the face of the blogger's "ethnic ghetto" line, that's hardly an attack on Europeans. Anytime there is racism in Canada it's white-on-minority and these comments are no exception. I've never heard of a black Nova Scotian burning a cross on a white person's lawn, after all.

PaxCanadiana said...

I never said I wanted to live downtown. The Yonge line extends from Finch through to Harbourfront, and that which is ON it can't be expected to look largely like the suburbs.

Ever been to Downsview station? Looks pretty suburban to me.

Also, I can't afford to live downtown, it's too expensive.

Yet somehow Asian immigrants driving up property values beyond their reasonable worth works to your favour because...

Incidentally, ImmigrationWatchCanada discusses this very issue in their most recent bulletin.

http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2011/03/29/march-29-2011-houses-on-death-row/

Also, if there was no demand for condos the sales wouldn't be going up relative to houses, not down.

Do you not know how property speculation works? Many of the units being bought are by real estate agents who are holding onto multiple properties to flip them and turn a profit over time. Adding to this are amateurs looking to do the same thing. This is the core demand for condo units in Toronto and that is what is keeping prices up for now while contributing to an over supply of the market. They are banking on boomer retirees selling their homes and moving into condos. If that happens then they dodged a bullet. But if it doesn't...

One also has to wonder if any of them are money laundering schemes out of Asia.

The US has always been more diverse since Canada pretty much since its inception, certainly since the 1960s and they have Hispanics with their massive birthrate (and influx of illegals); we don't.

Yeah, but the white population was such an overwhelming presence in the U.S. that were you to tell them at the time that whites will be a minority in 2040 you'd have been laughed at. Not so now.

You said yourself that the Chinese are not replacing themselves.

Domestically they are not but there is nothing stopping them from pouring into the country out of China and this is what is driving Asian population growth in Canada. A mere 5% of China's population is enough to change Canada into an Asian country overnight.

Seeing how over a third of immigrants come from three Asian countries alone; India, China, Philippines, and in that order; and with the rest of Asia pushing the figure to over 40% it's only a matter time before whites become the minority in Canada (and everywhere actually). Remember, the majority of immigrants to Canada are from non-white majority, non-traditional source nations. It's just a matter of time.

Anonymous said...

"It's not like anyone said "the Europeans" contribute nothing to the city and don't belong here, let's get real now."

Need I explain what should have been a perfectly, obvious observation point in anyone's mind?

If my European ancestors had not arrived and blazed a trail through thick, wooded forests and then began building homes and businesses from raw land without benefit of machinery or gov't support services.... there would be no city of Toronto -- period -- let alone an urban area called "Yonge & Sheppard", apparently now being expropriated by Asians.

Somebody else laid the groundwork long before you arrived on the scene and claimed it for yourself, as your tonal arrogance reveals.

"Anytime there is racism in Canada it's white-on-minority and these comments are no exception".

LOL, ...not sure if you're trolling, but racism (by whatever definition you use) cuts both ways, eh?

I've personally experience, shall we say, "odd behaviour" patterns emanating from Chinese people who now dominate previously white urban areas of both Richmond, B.C. and Auckland, New Zealand. Unlike today, the latter location (Mt. Albert suburbia) was an area visited 12 years previously that had zero Chinese people living there, similar to this Toronto area in question.

I can attest to that fact, because I lived in the Yonge & Sheppard area several years ago when Chinese people were as rare as "hen's teeth".

And your word "racism", has so many variables attached to it, that you should define your personal meaning when uttering the word. Of course, that would require engaging your brain, other than repeating un-original and programed responses while simultaneously wallowing in a stance of moral superiority when tossing the word into the mix.

"I've never heard of a black Nova Scotian burning a cross on a white person's lawn, after all."

Now you're reverting to a diversionary tactic to draw fire away from the main issue of the Asian domination of Toronto's "Yonge & Sheppard" area.

Personally, white-guilt tripping doesn't work on me... but nice try.

EuroCanadian News said...

Anytime there is racism in Canada it's white-on-minority and these comments are no exception

Factually totally wrong.

I document on my site numerous examples of explicit systemic racism against Whites by the federal and provincial governments, political parties, and even possibly the military.

The media is owned by corporate interests pursuing a specific agenda that serves them. In addition they will not and sometimes cannot by law report on racist attacks against Whites by minorities while the reverse does not hold true.

You may wish to charge that it is Whites being racist against Whites in the case of the government but this is not true in every case, nor does it matter - it still negates your corporate owned and media driven very naive or self-serving belief about racism coming only from Whites.

I also do not consider the neo-conservative ideology that has hijacked Canadian politics in the last 25 years to be meaningfully White in any way. It is completely contrary to what Canada has stood for and practiced politically until very recently. It serves foreign interests, not ours, and therefore is another form of racism against Canada's European-derived traditional ethnoculture.

Anonymous said...

"I've never heard of a black Nova Scotian burning a cross on a white person's lawn, after all."

“* Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks.” Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.

* Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime.

* “Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.” (If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)

* Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.

Even the two most famous sexual assaults by white men on black women in the last two decades � the Tawana Brawley and Duke rape cases � turned out to be hoaxes.

What do these statistics tell us? A message the Post will not report. The real repository of racism in America � manifest in violent interracial assault, rape and murder � is to be found not in the white community, but the African-American community. In almost all interracial attacks, whites are the victims, not the victimizers."wingei
http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-color-of-crime-826

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, I've already posted the statistics on Canadian hate crimes. Again, this is a site referencing Canadian immigration issues, not American, so perhaps you can take your stats that are not relevant to our country elsewhere. Here in CANADA, whites are far more likely to commit hate crimes towards ethnic minorities than the reverse.

Anonymous said...

"I document on my site numerous examples of explicit systemic racism against Whites by the federal and provincial governments, political parties, and even possibly the military."

And everytime statistics about employment, salary, promotion and poverty levels come up, the legitimacy of these frequent complaints is called into question.

"The media is owned by corporate interests pursuing a specific agenda that serves them. In addition they will not and sometimes cannot by law report on racist attacks against Whites by minorities while the reverse does not hold true."

Oh it's the case that whites can't report hate crimes can they? Then please explain why over 100 have been reported in the last 20 years (towards whites) within Canada. Of course, these are outnumbered by the number of hate crimes reported towards blacks and Jews within Canada, but I digress.

I am in no way suggesting that only whites are capable of being racist, but to suggest that racism is exclusively or even primarily targetting whites is just so laughable that I find it outrageous to let these assertions go unchallenged by fact.

PaxCanadiana said...

Here in CANADA, whites are far more likely to commit hate crimes towards ethnic minorities than the reverse.

What's a hate crime?

Are these crimes self reporting?

Think about it. If there's no clear understanding of what a hate crime is and if those alleged crimes are self-reporting, what do you think they are going to say particularly in a society that nurses a cult of victimhood. Nonsense I tell you!