Saturday, 15 October 2011

Pick One: Multiculturalism Or Preserving Canadian History Because You Cannot Have Both.

Looks like Muslims are causing communal tension again this time with the residents of Markham, Ontario. The issue is over the approved construction of a 28,000-sq. ft. Mosque to be built on Markham's 16th avenue just east of St. Brother Andre Catholic School.

Opponents charge the Mosque will cause disruptive traffic congestion along with potential parking and traffic overflow issues. But the main concern, it appears, is the the Mosque will disrupt the historic atmosphere of Markham's town core. This is a real concern after all since, according to the report, Markham town council rejected the construction of a Taoist temple for that reason ruling it "out of character with the community" as if a 28,000-sq. ft. Mosque isn't. So as it is with Christianity it's Taoism out, Mohammed in.

Responding to the rejection of the design of the Taoist temple one of the architects stated that the project was "oriented to Steeles Avenue" and that "Steeles Avenue is a neighbourhood in transition" implying concerns over aesthetic compatibility with Markham's historic town core setting are nonsense. So here lies the conflict: you have two group - Taoists and Muslims - who want to effect cultural change on an apparent unreceptive townspeople who find value in preserving the historic character of the neighbourhood in which they live. Who's side should prevail?

It's not like the Taoists and Muslims do not have options. Facing negative public reaction they could do the neighbourly thing and move their projects elsewhere in town. This will be an act of mutual accommodation the residents of Markham may find endearing and consequently build good interfaith and cross-cultural relations. Of course this is not what happened.

When it comes to issues like this I have come to expect the introduced faiths and cultures to Canadian society to never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to build good relations with their Canadian neighbours. Prompted with a multiculti fuelled raging sense of entitlement the Taoists expect to build where they want to irrespective of the concerns of their neighbours and the hopes of the town council that they would build elsewhere. As for Muslims, with Allah on their side and doing His work they just do not give a damn as long as they get what they want even in the face of a petition wanting them to build elsewhere. We Canadians should be familiar with this by now: we accommodate them, they do not accommodate us.

The Taoists refuse to budge on point of principal. "If we are out of sight, we are out of mind," stated a spokesperson in the report which seems to suggest they want to shove their culture in as many faces as possible even if we are all content with ourselves by ignoring it.

For the Muslims I think the issue is the same but one better: it is also about conquest. The Mosque is not being built in any part of Markham. It is being built in it's historic town core. This is symbolic for several reasons.

One is it is a stamp of Islamic permanence by co-opting an historic setting. This suggests that Islam is now apart of local history ignoring the fact Islam had nothing to do with the establishment and development of the town itself. But this does not really matter in the long-term. What really matters now is that Islam can affect any future cultural direction the town makes which we can reasonably suppose will be done out of self interest.

This leads to the second reason: the appropriation of an historic setting implies that Markham's future, or at least a part of it, belongs to Islam; that pre-Islamic Markham is a thing of the past to be forgotten and possibly destroyed. The disconnect between a newly built Mosque designed to bring attention to itself and its pre-Islamic setting is making that statement. I do not think the choice to design the Mosque to reference the Taj Mahal in India is purely for aesthetic reasons. The Taj Mahal is one of Islam's grandest symbols of Islamic permanence in a region where Islam didn't exist before. It also harkens to the days of Muslim conquest in south Asia.

For any of this to be possible Markham's residents must allow the surrender and slow death of any semblance to the town's history. Muslims and Taosits (amongst others) cannot preserve their culture and history on Canadian soil alongside Canadian culture and history. Someone has to give and time and time again it is us Canadians doing the accommodating. This is at great cost to us because a people estranged from their history have no sense of self in the present and is lost to the future.

One last thing. The rejection of the Taoist temple was criticized as a case of NIMBYism (Not In My Back Yard) in the linked article above by a proponent and I think this generally describes Canadian attitudes towards immigration and multiculturalism and why it is mistakenly perceived as being a "success" in this country as nations the world over are rejecting it. Canadians are typically warmer to mass immigration and multiculturalism so long as they do not have to see it. If they have places to go to escape it then they do it. That is why in Toronto there are white majority neighbourhoods almost free of any evidence of immigration and multiculturalism. And that is how the white residents in these neighbourhoods like it. They won't admit to it but actions speak louder than words and where they choose to live and what neighbours they want speaks volumes about their real preferences.

The residents of Markham do not have problems with Taoists and Muslims so long as they can be moved to the corner and out of the way where they can easily be ignored. This is so that they can go on for one more day pretending that the colonization of their town and country is not happening but this solution to their discomfort is superficial. The core of the problem is with our immigration system and the colonizing effect it is having on the country. If they truly cherish Markham's historic town core then they need to address this fact or else lose it forever.

If you are interested in signing the petition here it is again.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to CONQUER it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.

- Houari Boumediene, President of Algeria, at the United Nations, 1974.

"Nice" and "tolerant", but wholly naive Canadians and Europeans have not been paying attention to these stealthy moves against them these past 37 years.

...and also, just one British family's learning curve experience HERE.

Anonymous said...

Totally agree, if you check out the populations of Muslims in Europe and all around the world. you will find out how much their population are growing. Eventually, they will take over the political system and everyone will live under the Mus rules.

Anonymous said...

most of the immigrants to canada are christians and other non-Muslims, and this is not only your country many Muslims were actually born here and yet have to take the arrogance prejudice migrants from Europe, Russia etc, it is so bad that even they act cocky as if this is their homeland when in fact they nothing more then christian visitors to Canada, you have to look outside of Mark ham and the see the rest of Canada. I support immigration reform because besides you anglo english christian Canadians and your Islander english colonized immigrants including british citizens there is a network for work and education and everything is a network here. between you whites and these immigrants there is no hope for people like me, you are bunch of unions and unless you grew up here your whole life you will only waste it, plus you gyp your citizens- dollar goes up but prices stay the same all while a 13% tax (for your enjoyment of federal funded resources which mostly you consume) and why american products which is cheaper in America and better quality is more expensive and lessor in quality? which again you gyp people knowing it is all produced in Etobicoke eg (proctor and gamble) and the females here are stuck up do really see every man as a handyman,a blue color worker? being feminist and exploiting ethnicity of migrants when you are lesbians and bi-sexuals (just come out the closet) i wouldn't want to raise my son in this environment, i would want my son to be confident, it benefits "you people" why even pay tax? you know what f ontario, canada and i was born here what?

Anonymous said...

"you know what f ontario, canada and i was born here what?"

That's debatable! I doubt you were born in Canada because your English grammar skills are woefully lacking. No capitalization, no paragraphs, poor sentence structure, and almost entirely incoherent. After reading it twice, I'm still confused!

If you were born here, I can only conclude our educational system has "fallen through the roof" since I was in school.

You sound more like a disenchanted immigrant who would be a better fit in another country.

Anonymous said...

aren't those little enclaves like ajax, ontario super? last time i was there, lester b pearson's name was still on my school. i wonder for how long?

Anonymous said...

I am a muslim and I can tell you that half of my friends are christian (one from UK, one from Canada, and one from Jordan) but they don't think about me the way you think about muslims. I always thought that westerns are the most open-minds cultures, but you proved me wrong and I feel very sad to read this most racist articles and spiteful comments. My immigration process to Canada is almost done and I pray that I would never meet people like you there. And from my canadian friend, I know that most canadians are friendly and open to other cultures.

PaxCanadiana said...

I am a muslim and I can tell you that half of my friends are christian (one from UK, one from Canada, and one from Jordan) but they don't think about me the way you think about muslims.

If Islam is to be judge based on your actions alone then how is that different than judging Islam by the actions of a suicide bomber?

It's the religion we should be inspecting and Islam is a problem and it is not compatible with the west.

Islam is a religion of conquest, of subjugation and rule. It doesn't believe in diversity. It doesn't believe in multiculturalism. It doesn't believe in freedom of speech or of freedom of expression or of gender equality. Indeed, everything Canada stands for is anathema to Islam. So why are Muslims here if not to turn Canada into an Islamic state?

Where ever Islam has rooted itself it has brought with it conflict and the social, political, and economic instability that goes with it. Only when Islam has established itself as the governing authority along with the suppression of freedoms it needs to rule is there "peace". This is what is meant by the religion of peace. It is a peace as the ancient Romans knew it: the total subjugation of those in contest with Roman power.

This is the future Islam condemns Canada to if we continue to nurture the religion here.

And from my canadian friend, I know that most canadians are friendly and open to other cultures.

Then you don't truly understand Canadians. They say one thing in public but in polite private conversation where they feel safe they say another. Believe you me, most Canadians don't give a crap about most cultures as they are irrelevant and uninteresting to them. And if there is one culture they can do with out it is Islam.

Anonymous said...

In some fashion, Islam would be a tonic for Canada, a nation that has forsaken its Christian founding people and culture to defend debauchery, public fornication, lies and immorality. OBL was right when he called for the West to be "a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest [usury]." These are not the values this country was founded upon. It does not mean, of course, that the mass immigration of different races and cultures (colonies) is a benefit to invoking change in the perverse nature of what now is considered Canadian values.

Anonymous said...

"Believe you me, most Canadians don't give a crap about most cultures as they are irrelevant and uninteresting to them. And if there is one culture they can do with out it is Islam."

WOW. So untrue. Canadians are curious people who DO take an interest. There are the handful that have been brainwashed by our Southern neighbours to believe the news, cheer on white supremacy and overall despise anyone not like them....but most of us are not like that.

And er...Islam is RELIGION not a CULTURE. Huge difference!!! You can have a Chinese Muslim, an Egyptian Muslim, a Canadian Muslim. They all have different cultures but the same RELIGION. Get your facts right before you open your mouth

PaxCanadiana said...

WOW. So untrue. Canadians are curious people who DO take an interest.

If by which you mean they ask a few questions out of curiosity at, say, some cocktail party then sure I guess.

But on the whole we don't care. Think about it. How does the average Canadian live his or her cultural life? We consume mostly American television and film production. Western music produced by American, Canadian, and European artists dominate our playlists. We read predominantly western literature. We watch and play Canadian, American, and European sports. We dress in western fashions out of the U.S. and Europe but increasingly from Canadian clothing lines as well (lululemon, Canada Goose, Aritzia).

The only impact non-European, non-indigenous cultures have had on Canadian society is in the realm of food and to Canadians that's the only benefit they can think of when it comes to multiculturalism and immigration. Go ahead and ask a Canadian what they think is so great about multiculturalism and immigration but tell them the answer cannot be about food and they'll be dumbfounded. This just shows how much we don't care about non-western cultures and how unappealing we find them to be. We are told we have no culture of our own but it seems we'd rather have no culture then adopt any of the one's being imported into Canada from the developing world. Says a lot doesn't it?

Truth is non-western cultures do not appeal to us because they have so little to offer us. The interest you talk about is just some patronizing fleeting curiosity employed for the sake of small talk.

And er...Islam is RELIGION not a CULTURE

Religious life isn't a form of culture? That's news to me.

You can have a Chinese Muslim, an Egyptian Muslim, a Canadian Muslim. They all have different cultures but the same RELIGION.

They only have one shared culture and it's Islam. And a Canadian Muslim is a Muslim who lives in Canada. Since Islam is antithetical to Canadian values you cannot be Canadian and Muslim at the same time.

Anonymous said...

@PaxCanadiana

"Islam is antithetical to Canadian values you cannot be Canadian and Muslim at the same time."

True words of a redneck. I am 2nd generation Canadian-Pakistani Muslim. Born and raised in Canada. I've played hockey since I was 8. How is it that what I practice at home and the colour of my skin makes me less Canadian??

Fact of the matter is, the "immigrants" or as I would like to call them, "the new mainstream" is the new Canada my ignorant friend. The new comers to this country will give Canada the much needed leg up on an international development playing field. Some of the most prominent companies in North America are run by 1st/2nd generation "immigrants".

If you are so upset over the immigration laws and the coloured folk in this country, take a look around pal. These coloured folk are you bosses now! Why? Not because of equality. But because they work their a**es off to give back to country that let them in. They do have the same entitlement issues people like you have. If The Mainstream gives back so much to the country, why can't they publicize their beliefs?

And if we're even on this point...not that I want to open up this bag of tricks, but, Canada is not technically your land. It was taken from the previous inhabitants. Please do yourself a favor, stop looking through the goggles of redneck and actually see the overall advantage that this could play in the long term and by long term I mean, 2 - 3 generations down the road.

I've given everything to this country and it sickens me to see people like you. You bring up LuLu Lemon & Artizia, some of the newest trends and styles are started from your so called "Immigrants". Do a little research on some of the up and coming Canadian start ups. You'll probably have a heart attack when you see the names of the people that started it.

PaxCanadiana said...

I am 2nd generation Canadian-Pakistani Muslim.

So what are you: Pakistani or Canadian? How can you be both? And the fact that you are 2nd generation "Canadian" yet still need to identify yourself with a land you were never born exemplifies what is wrong with multiculturalism, the immigration system, and you. It lends itself to the notion that the Canadian doesn't exist and all that Canada is is just a job and a shopping mall. I find that offensive as do the majority of Canadian.

How is it that what I practice at home and the colour of my skin makes me less Canadian??

Since the base criteria of being a Canadian is often described - by our moral and intellectual superiors in government, the media, and academia - as adhering to a set of values then you are not Canadian since you have willingly embraced and identify with a religion of which much of its core teachings oppose those values. Muslims are not Canadians. Muslims are Muslims who happen to reside in Canada.

Fact of the matter is, the "immigrants" or as I would like to call them, "the new mainstream" is the new Canada my ignorant friend.

Or as I like to call them, colonizers since they don't integrate, don't care to integrate, live in ethnic ghettoes/colonies and occupy Canadian cultural space with their imported foreign ways.

The new comers to this country will give Canada the much needed leg up on an international development playing field.

That assumption is unverifiable and if you stop to think about it it doesn't make sense. It like saying China eclipsed Japan as the second largest economy because of immigrants. It's also insulting since it implies Canadians are a bunch of inbreeds who need third world immigrants to get us out of our rut. What a joke!

...because they work their a**es off to give back to country that let them in.

Why do immigrants insist on abandoning their fellow countrymen to emigrate to a wealthy, advanced society like Canada's to "contribute" to it as if we need their help in the first place? Why not stay home and help their own people and develop the economy of their home country? Is it because immigration is inherently selfish and any "contribution" immigrants make is a unintended consequence of the pursuit of self interest?

Canada is not technically your land. It was taken from the previous inhabitants.

Ah, shaddap! As if you, and immigrants generally, even give a damn about aboriginal issues so don't even bring it up. You only invoke when it when it suits you. And it's not like immigration is doing Canada's first nations any favours either.

I've given everything to this country...

Because you expect to get something out of it. You want to talk about sacrifice go to Pakistan and give everything there to help increase the living standards of Pakistanis. It's real easy to talk the way you do when you expect to be rewarded richly for giving "everything to this country".

You bring up LuLu Lemon & Artizia, some of the newest trends and styles are started from your so called "Immigrants".

Like?

And Lululemon and Aritzia were not founded by immigrants but by the bane of the new Canada: white males. On top of that there's Canada Goose as well.

Do a little research on some of the up and coming Canadian start ups.

Ah big deal. Starts come and go all the time. Even in the absence of immigration the entrepreneurial spirit will still be there.

As much as you'd like to pretend that Canada will sink without immigrants it simply is not true. Canada is doing fine on its own. Indeed, immigration will probably ruin the nation.

Anonymous said...

"True words of a redneck."

Here we go again with another puerile opening ad hominen attack on the messenger to set the stage.

"The new comers to this country will give Canada the much needed leg up on an international development playing field."

I see that you drank the proper amount of "kool-aid" to persuade you with that false argument.

Perhaps you weren't around... say during the 1970s, when Canada was an already fully developed nation that managed its first-world affairs quite well without all these "new" NON-white immigrants originating from 3rd world hell-holes?? AND, the same immigrants who cost us $23,000,000,000 (billion) in services per year, over what they pay in taxes??

Thanks for the "leg-up" which only places Canada with one foot in the economic grave yard much like your parents' ancestral home. Pakistan would benefit more with your "leg-up" fairly tales than Canada, so try using your b.s. stories on them, instead.

"These coloured folk are you bosses now! Why? Not because of equality. But because they work their a**es off to give back to country that let them in."

That's about the most absurd statement I've ever read on this blog, and he states it with such gleeful delight. What do we call YOU now... a brown-neck?

You may have heard of Canada's employment-equity programs that work AGAINST White Canadians, and thus, hire and promote visible-minorities NOT on merit or abilities, but on their skin colour?!

"...not that I want to open up this bag of tricks, but, Canada is not technically your land."

Of course, you want to "open up this bag of tricks" -- You just did!!

Anyhow, you're not the first who tried using the ole' "trick" of guilt-tripping White Canadians into a remorseful, head-slumping position. It won't work here, so take your little "trick" and use it where less "red-necks" lurk about and call you out on your silly games.

Instead, you should be thanking my pioneer White ancestors and their White descendants who mined the ore, cleared vast forests for planting crops, designed and built the railways, the bridges, the roadways you travel on -- the buses, the cars you travel in -- the transport trucks that deliver your food -- the airplanes that fly you to visit relatives in Pakistan, the public schools and universities we built, the "free" medical service infrastructure we provide to you, etc. etc.

...con't

Anonymous said...

...con't

Look around at your immediate surroundings including this computer that sits before you, and ask yourself just what innovative RACE invented, designed, manufactured the original components and brought them to your doorstep.

Well, here's a clue for you. No Native Indians, No Pakistanis, No Blacks, No "coloured folks" of any hue, had anything to do with our modern infrastructure that you take for granted everyday.

So, "technically", Canada is OUR land. If you don't agree with that premise, I strongly urge you to go and live on a tax-supported Indian reservation and eagerly partake of all the amenities they'll provide to you.

Otherwise, as Pax has already suggested to you... "Ah, shaddap!"

(I laughed out loud when reading that expression :)

"...see the overall advantage that this could play in the long term and by long term I mean, 2 - 3 generations down the road."

Third-world immigrants create 3rd world countries... no thanks!

"I've given everything to this country and it sickens me to see people like you."

Wrong! We've given everything to YOU, beginning with our gullible generosity, our guilt-trip pandering, our groveling respect, our disingenuous platitudes, false sincerity, etc. etc., and, including the relinquishment of our jobs and job promotions as noted above.

Yes, I can be just as harsh on my fellow White Canadians. Hypocrisy is one political-correct disease that I abhor amongst my own people.

Anonymous said...

All, it is not a matter of any religions concern. It is a matter of over-development and preserving Canadian History. The overall studies back in 2003 were not valid and townhall approved it which lead to misleading acts and taxpayers were being blinded. The last townhall meeting was unacceptable and the detail will be reported and all details should be accounted for.
Patches have been initiated upon legal action and I do not think it is relevant at this point. Regardless of the revised plan, within 1 km range is definitely over-polluted and preserving Swan Lake( Canadian History ). Relocation of the mosque is the only solution to resolve the community's concern. 160 townhouses within 1 km range should be not be approved. Townhall is not listening but to work on the revised plan is their #1 priority. This issue will definitely be sent to the next level attention to get heard.
The last townhall meeting detail did blow off all taxpayers on how municipality systems were being misleaded.

PaxCanadiana said...

All, it is not a matter of any religions concern.

I agree. No one is preventing them from being Muslims or stopping them from building, yet another (undoubtedly Saudi funded), Mosque on Canadian soil. It is the location that is the issue and is part and parcel of the over-development of the area.

Muslims have made it a religious issue and here's why I think so as I already stated in my post. The location is important to the Muslims because it is considered historical. They want to co-opt that history and graft Islam onto it implying a state of arrival, permanence, and eventual conquest. Thus the Mosque becomes more than a place of worship, it becomes a symbol of victory. That's why the location is so important to them.

This is a wonderful opportunity for the Muslim community to show how neighbourly they can be and build the Mosque elsewhere but apparently they are adamant and insist on fanning the flames of animosity. Then, when people get angry with them, they act like babes in the woods and play the role of the misunderstood victim. Gotta love 'em for that.

On a grander scale Canadians need to see what is the real cause of this and that's mass immigration. The over development is because of it. The Mosque is just one of a few players at work here. Another is Asian speculative real estate capitol and also urban sprawl.

We can either chose to preserve local and national history or pick mass immigration and multiculturalism. It's an either/or proposition because you can't have it both ways.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with PaxCanadiana! Muslim culture goes against everything Canadian.

Anonymous said...

Today's paper reports on problems in Israel related to 60,000 African migrants arriving over the past 7 years. One person said: "Some Israelis worry that their national identity as a Jewish state is being threatened by unauthorized African migrants."

Food for thought. We get 10 times that amount in a year (immigrants, temporary (who try to stay one normally), students, refugees).

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/25/tensions-increase-as-israeli-leaders-call-for-expulsion-of-african-migrants/

PaxCanadiana said...

Today's paper reports on problems in Israel related to 60,000 African migrants arriving over the past 7 years.

We must be on the same wavelength because recent news articles I came across inspired me to write a short post about it.