Tuesday, 8 May 2012

A Drop In Asian Immigration? Has Christmas Come Early This Year?

Why yes!  Yes it has!!!
Immigration applications from key Asian countries have dropped by more than half since 2006, when the Conservative government began transforming its migrant selection.
Critics say the disproportionate declines from China, India, the Philippines and Pakistan could be an indication of how Ottawa’s policy changes favour some immigrant countries over others, and would have an impact on the immigrant mix.{...}
Applicants from China fell 45 per cent from 55,647 to 30,507; India by almost 51 per cent from 61,559 to 30,283; the Philippines by 32 per cent from 37,132 to 25,378; and Pakistan by 65 per cent from 31,330 to 11,066.
While the number of applications fell overall for the top 10 source countries from 227,689 to 140,712 during the period — a reflection of policy changes to control immigration intake and backlog — the declines of the top four countries were bigger than English- or French-speaking countries.
Thank you Santa, I'll never stop believing in you!

While this is good news it shouldn't distract us from the point that immigration levels are still too high no matter where the immigrants come from.  If all 260,000+ immigrants came from Europe it'll still be too many.

What I have been complaining about is that not only are we are getting too many immigrants as a whole but we were selecting them from too few source countries.  Nearly half of all immigrants are coming from Asia and it shows.  A casual jaunt around Toronto or Vancouver makes this very clear.  At times you'd think you somehow leapt across the globe and landed in Hong Kong or Mumbai by merely crossing a city street.  It's absurd!  When we Canadians speak favourably of immigration we don't mean to say we favour the transformation of our country into Chinada or Canadasia or Candia.  We never agreed to this because we were never consulted nor was any government ever given the mandate to alter the character of the country through immigration.

Which brings me to the woman interviewed in the Toronto Star article:
Without being part of a public consultation, we’ve drastically changed not only the way we do immigration, but the immigrants who come in,” said Ratna Omidvar, president of Maytree Foundation, which has a mandate to build strong civic communities.
“Immigration selection is not simply about headhunting, but about nation-building. Immigration policy is too important to be made in a piecemeal manner.”
That's funny.  I don't recall Canadians ever being consulted on the immigration system and whether we were comfortable with being flooded with immigrants from Asia yet when applications from Asian countries fall the lack of consultation in now a concern?  That's rich!

Let's be clear by what she means by consultation.  What she means is that the immigration industry of which she is apart of should be consulted foremost and only, giving them de-facto control of the immigration system and consequently determining Canada's demographic future.  The rest of us are supposed to shut up and live with it.  And considering the immigration industry attracts agenda driven neo-colonialists the idea that they hold sway in determining immigration policy is something to be worried about.

And if you read between the lines you can see her concern has nothing to do with the number of immigrants Canada receives as a whole since that hasn't changed but what concerns her is the mix due to the decrease in applications from Asia.  Could race have something to do it?  I believe so.

Why wasn't it an issue when nearly half of Canada's yearly intake of immigrants are coming from Asia?  Would it be an issue if the vast majority of them came from Asia?  I doubt it.  I suspect what concerns her is the possibility that fewer immigrants of her racial background will be coming to Canada because we all know but won't admit that race matters.  If race didn't matter then the drop in applications from Asia shouldn't be a concern at all.

It's veiled racism against the host majority society but also hypocritical.  Having the country transformed and its host population replaced by Asian immigration is nothing to be alarmed about however the slightest hint that the immigration system may shift to favour immigrants of a similar culture and background of the host society is something a concern.   Give me a break!

Hopefully this trend continues and if applications from Asia continue to fall it will only raise one question on the minds of the majority of Canadians: does this mean we can finally afford to buy a house now?

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Great post.

I also am still awaiting a drop in the total number of immigrants coming in.

I am still very concerned about the damage the past 20 years of excessively high immigration from too few source countries has done. Many large cities of Canada are nearing half (or more) immigrants.

We the Canadian people were never asked if we wanted our country to change to a satellite of China. Our country became great with a majority of the people of European background. Why are we told now that it is a problem if we don't have a higher number of Asians?

Why do we need to overpopulate our big cities? Yes, it is a big country in land mass, but no one wants to live up North, new immigrants generally flock to cities, and the thin strip along the US border. In many cases the new immigrants are fleeing overcrowding in their own countries which has led to too much competition for work. So why would we want to overpopulate our country? If we didn't limit immigration at all, there are billions who would come.

It will take years to undo the damage of this excessive immigration, but there seems to be no political will to do so. This news doesn't change that. We would have to have zero immigration for years to try to amend the situation, and that is not going to happen.

The new immigrants have strong cultures and stay to their own groups. I walk around the city, and I've lived in Toronto and Calgary, and the amount of women in head scarves, or worse, burkas, is growing rapidly. This is a visible statement that they're closed off to Canada - they feel we are immoral.

It took years to build women's rights, what will happen now? Did you see the recent controversy in Toronto about the Islamic school's curriculum posted on their website, stating that boys can pursue physical education to be prepared for jihad, while women should pursue hobbies to prepare for motherhood?

As for the Chinese and other Asian groups, they stick to their language, their people, for the most part. In the past their children would assimilate, but no the numbers are so high, they don't need to go outside their groups.

Look at the issue with the Muslim school prayers in Toronto - the vast majority of the students in this public school were Muslims. So why assimialate and take off that head scarf - it is the new normal in that part of town.

I never expected I would end up having to watch Canada slip away. I sense that in the future there will be no will to support our history, heritage buildings, and so on, as the majority in power then will be from other cultures, and will want tax dollars to go to their own cultural initiatives.

I don't blame the immigrants - they are just trying to improve their life. Among them are many good people, but due to our lax policies, and generous social programs, we also let in people who take advantage of the system. I blame the Canadian politicians who have used immigration as a tool for re-election, and to appease big business who sees new immigrants as a way to bring down wages and have a compliant work force.

Anonymous said...

@PaxCanadian
I will be completing my business degree from Queens School of Business. I am Bachelor of Engineering from Mumbai University. I love Canada and got job here before I landed. I bought my first house in Milton and will be shifting there soon. I pay my taxes and fall in a high income bracket.
I am in my late 30s a Hindu East Indian from Mumbai. I read through some of your post and they are upsetting. I know I cannot change your thoughts and I respect your views. You are open and don’t fear expressing your thoughts. Not many people have the balls and I appreciate that you speak your mind. I do understand your concerns about immigrants changing the demographics, and it is valid one.
India has its own set problems. There are various religions like Muslim, Hindus, Jews, Christians, Buddhist and many more, but predominantly Hindu religion is practised across many states. There are sections of society in India where there is discrimination. It has corruption, and all sorts of issues. But still it is a largest functioning democracy. I used to get perturbed by corruption at lower levels in India and decided to move to a country which is free and fair. That doesn’t mean India isn’t. I reviewed several countries like New Zealand, Australia, UK and Canada. I learnt that Canada was among the best countries which offered a great quality of life. By quality of life I am not referring to materialism, I mean vast open spaces, clean air to breathe beautiful people who are transparent and loving.
In Times of India classified you find several advertisements of Skilled Worker Migration Program for Canada based on point system. Those are registered agents and you can verify if they are authentic by sending an email to Canadian Immigration Consulate. I gave my IELTS exams to qualify and brought my daughter and wife. My wife is also a post graduate from Mumbai University and works in Canada. We have been here around 2 years now and are very successful. Recently my 10 year old daughter asked me – Do Canadians not like us? I was surprised and did not know what to respond. I tried to dig deep and try and understand where this was stemming from. She was quiet and nodded “Doesn’t matter, some people in her school say that you guys should stop coming here”. I never discussed about it and don’t want her to feel that we are different. I want her to be a strong Canadian who will love Canada as much as any another Canadian would. I want her to contribute to a strong civil and democratic society. I do agree with you that fraudsters should be dealt with iron hands, but we as educated citizens should be responsible for what we post.
I have achieved so much in life through hard work – double shifts and funding my education. Then I ask myself where did I go wrong? Did I not make a right decision to come to Canada? But it does hurt and makes me think – where can I find a place in the world where people are not type caste by their religion caste, creed, color or gender? When I applied for immigration I was very happy to start a new life. Learn new things. But after my daughters asked me this question I did a Google search on Milton and found so many blogs which state the resentment. Are most of the people ethnocentric or are there people around who are ethnorelative? Should I go back? If so where?
One question to you – do you speak your mind in front of kids. I understand it is Okay to post your concerns and have a meaningful debate, but I wonder if you share your thoughts with others in presence of young kids around you. If you do discuss, do you think about the impression you are creating on children’s mind directly or indirectly?
I want you to watch a documentary “The Awakening” by Max Igan - http://youtu.be/NayVQhGjyIo

PaxCanadiana said...

I will be completing my business degree from Queens School of Business.

Like we need more business degrees in Canada.

I am Bachelor of Engineering from Mumbai University.

A well respected University in Canada I'm sure.

I bought my first house in Milton...

Thank you for doing your part to encourage urban sprawl and lay waste to Ontario's fertile countryside.

India has its own set problems....But still it is a largest functioning democracy.

Let me apologize for being snarky in my first comments.

And no India isn't. It is a highly dysfunctional, corrupt, and nearly ungovernable nation due to its diversity and exceptionally large population. It is split along ethnic and religious lines and this is reflected in its voting patterns called bloc voting which has taken root here. So, are you trying to tell me this kind of diversity will work in Canada? I doubt that.

I learnt that Canada was among the best countries which offered a great quality of life. By quality of life I am not referring to materialism, I mean vast open spaces, clean air to breathe beautiful people who are transparent and loving.

Of course immigration consultants will tell you Canada is the best country in the world. They want your money!

You don't know us very well do you? If Canadians were loving and transparent why to they stay away from "ethnic neighbourhoods" in droves and I include the progressive whites in Toronto in this.

And don't get use to the vast open spaces and clean air either. Thanks to immigration we're losing that too.

Recently my 10 year old daughter asked me – Do Canadians not like us?

Look at it this way. One of you is not a problem. Two of you is not a problem. Ten is not a problem. One million of you, then we have a problem because such a large number generates colonies we call "ethnic enclaves" transforming parts of Canada into something unrecognisable as being Canadian.

Canada is not a colony of India but large scale Indian immigration will make that so and no one likes being colonized. You, as an Indian should understand this.

One question to you – do you speak your mind in front of kids.

No, because children are too young to understand these things. But I don't have to because they figure these things out on their own eventually as they get older and enter their teen years. It's human nature. Like prefers like as "desi culture" illustrates.

You know what I mean by "desi" don't you. That racially exclusive club for brown people? Of course you do.

Anonymous said...

Firstly, I am sorry your daughter was hurt. It isn't her fault.

The reality is that no country likes to feel invaded by another group. You would feel the same if suddenly the population of India, where you come from, started to move towards being more than half from another group of people. If millions of Africans moved to India, how would you react? I'm not certain they would be even nearly as welcoming as we have been.

I can understand 25,000 immigrants from a wide variety of countries. No big deal, and your daughter wouldn't get those comments. As Pax said, it is the millions that come - and mainly Asian. It is when our Prime Minister is telling us we don't have money now for seniors who paid into the system to retire when they planned, we wait in longer and longer lineups at the hospital, and we see our highways crowded, our farmland developed. We see immigrants willing to work for less driving down wages, and then new immigrants only hiring people of their own religion and background.

It isn't your fault - in fact our government is trying to recruit immigrants. But our government does not speak for us all. Most of us would have little to say if the immigration numbers were not reasonable, not 250,000 + another big group of temporary (who inevitably mostly try to stay on), refugee claimants, etc. That adds up to a million in just 3 years.

Plus, you may contribute, but others don't. One guy comes in, earns minimum wage because there just are not the jobs, but sponsors 10 people. All need health care, social services. There is a loss, not a gain.

Anonymous said...

From your responses, I can gauge the resentment against immigration specifically for select groups. If you feel that your cause is just, as you portray through various blogs and the statistics. Why do you hide behind the garb of internet? If you have justified cause and I am sure people who support your concerns will stand by you. Why don’t you file public interest litigation against immigration from select source countries? In a democratic society there are various routes in which you can voice your concerns. You have done a lot of hard work collecting statistics about immigrants, you might also list down statistics about immigrants who don’t contribute to the society and live on your tax money (Since according to you most immigrants only suck the system and don’t pay tax). Additionally in most of your response you pick statements out of context and responds each of these systematically thus inciting hatred.
When I talked about studying Business Degree I wanted to portray that all immigrants are not money sucking leeches who are destroying Canadian culture and populating Canada, but people with hearts.
But you know what..... from your response I now understand it wouldn’t work on you since you will stick with your point and never see beyound your hatred.

God Bless Canada!

PaxCanadiana said...

From your responses, I can gauge the resentment against immigration specifically for select groups.

Resentment is too strong a word. I don't resent the immigration system. In fact I support immigration and I know Canada can benefit from it.

What I don't support is the current immigration system and if I resent anything it's what it is doing to the country. It is making it unfamiliar to me causing me to feel like a stranger in my own country. It's like going to bed in Toronto and suddenly waking up in Mumbai or Beijing. And many Canadians feel the same way.

And if it feels like I'm picking on "select groups" it's because we are getting too many of them too fast and too many immigrants from too few source countries, especially ones that are so different from the host country, causes problems. There is no justifiable reason to have India and China at the top of the list of source countries of immigrants for the past couple of decades. But that's how its been and the results are apparent on the streets of Canadian cities. I don't think I need to point this out to you.

Even other immigrants complain about this. They didn't immigrate to Canada only to wind up in China or India.

And if you want a European example just look at the Italian community and currently the Portuguese one.

Why do you hide behind the garb of internet?...In a democratic society there are various routes in which you can voice your concerns.

Easier said than done and for someone like me who is of limited means right now this is the best I can do. But thankfully there are lobby groups like CIRP who do lobby for reasonable immigration and they are armed with credentials and experience.

...you might also list down statistics about immigrants who don’t contribute to the society and live on your tax money (Since according to you most immigrants only suck the system and don’t pay tax).

It's not that immigrants don't pay taxes (though some intentionally try to avoid them like many Chinese nationals do) it's that they don't pay enough to cover what they use in public services. The Fraser Institute did a study on this and it's those figures I'm basing my arguments on. To put it bluntly we're losing money on immigrants to the tune of billions of dollars a year. For example we know immigrants remove $2 billion dollars a year from the Canadian economy in the form of remittances to their native countries.

When I talked about studying Business Degree I wanted to portray that all immigrants are not money sucking leeches who are destroying Canadian culture and populating Canada, but people with hearts.

With all due respect, and I assume you're a nice person, but you didn't come to Canada to contribute to it. You came to Canada to enrich yourself.

I know western citizenship is fashionable among high caste members of Indian society and having the western lifestyle is even more fashionable. Don't tell me this didn't play a part in your decision to leave India.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say immigrants are "money sucking leeches" but I do know they are creatures of self interest. They're only human after all and I can appreciate that. Saying they are "people with harts" who only want to contribute to Canada is just to candy-coat this fact.

If they were really interested in contributing to society why would they leave theirs and abandon their countrymen to go contribute a people living in a wealthy one? Is it because that's where the money is?

If you claim to be a "person of heart" and want to contribute to building a society I'm sure India has lots of opportunities to accomplish that. I'm sure the dalits could really benefit from your intellect and talent.

Anonymous said...

"and never see beyound your hatred".

"Hatred" is a word that's often entered into conversation whenever the subject of "immigration" is broached, but it's a term that seems directed to only White Canadians if they disagree with the current policies that are changing the character of our country.

The more appropriate word would be "averse" to foreigners much unlike ourselves... not hatred.

Doesn’t matter, some people in her school say that you guys should stop coming here”.

Children are far more honest than are indoctrinated, political correct Canadian adults who fear to say what they really think of incompatible immigrants arriving here in vast numbers. And when your daughter reaches high school, she will see first-hand how small grouping of students naturally align themselves along racial lines.

"I never discussed about it and don’t want her to feel that we are different".

Don't believe all that government propaganda that "happy land" Canada thrives on the "joys of diversity" and openly welcomes every coloured race in the world to live amongst us.

And pls. spare us with all the hoopla as in "God Bless Canada", or other such flag-waving nonsense. It looks highly disingenuous from my perspective.

Those induced sentiments should be reserved for very young children only; and seeing foreign adults wearing t-shirts with similar wording will not put you in our good graces, nor does it curry favour with us. In fact, you look downright foolish and out-of-place.

You may be trying "blend in" with your adopted country, but look at it this way. How would you see me as a White Canadian male having emigrated to India and trying to be "Indian"? Do you get my point?

India has an openly embedded caste system where the Dalits (or untouchables) occupy the bottom rung of society. Canada also has an unwritten pecking order, but under state-controlled restrictions our natural tendencies are severely restricted by not acting in our own best interests. eg. Anti-white employment equity policies.

"I reviewed several countries like New Zealand, Australia, UK and Canada".

So what is this attraction towards only White-European based countries? There are over 200 different countries to emigrate to, yet you narrowed your search to only White countries!?

Personally, I would have no interest in living with another nation's people wholly different from my own European background. More importantly, I would never subject my children to the torture of being different from the majority student population.

"I bought my first house in Milton and will be shifting there soon".

In the mid-90s, I moved away from Toronto due to the relentless swamping by 3rd world immigrants who were messing up a once great city.

Destination: Milton, Ontario (about 95% White) at the time.

About a decade ago, I left Milton for the same reason, and now live even further afield.

Nothing personal here, but it's called "White Flight" for obvious reasons.

Anonymous said...

As an educated Canadian born citizen with Canadian parents I am incredibly disappointment with Canada's immigration system. We do not need any more citizens from India and China because they come here and don't assimilate and live a life trying to get benefits from our social system.I went to the best universities in Canada and can tell you that up at the top there aren't any immigrants. Make sure your children work very hard so we can restore the Canadian dream.

Anonymous said...

The original poster from India said he came to Canada because of "vast open spaces, clean air to breathe". He wonders why not all locals are happy to see him. It isn't just him, one person, a hundred people, not a big deal. If every person in India (and for that matter Pakistan) who wanted to come to Canada was able to come, do you think we'd have those vast open spaces and clean air for long?

Anonymous said...

"If every person in India (and for that matter Pakistan) who wanted to come to Canada was able to come, do you think we'd have those vast open spaces and clean air (&water) for long?"

NOPE! Here's your stench-free
PHOTO EVIDENCE of happens to burgeoning population growths like in INDIA. "Warning" on the photos.

H/t to CIReport.ca

Anonymous said...

Greetings from India!

Interesting post.

I do agree with you that the original idea of diversity is being exploited by people and there is a whole industry that actually thrives off it.

The drop in immigration in all probability will continue because of the overall power shift from West to Asia. This is based on global trends and is for everyone to see.

I believe that regardless of the country (either White or otherwise),the government should be firm enough to realize when to limit immigrants so that overall balance is preserved.

That being said, you judging India by a set of photos like the Ganges posted here or the Dharavi slums and concluding that whole of the country is the same is indeed laughable and rather displays a degree of ignorance amongst many of your Western peers.

The whole charade of posting a specific set of photos and coming up with statistics (like number of toilets in India or the Dalit issue) is pretty much done to death by many Western folks and funnily even more after the recession of 2008 implying a clear hatred for a specific set of people from Asia.

Also, to those Indians who have gone elsewhere to seek a better "quality of life" and who wanted to escape "India the third world country", please stay there instead of being patriotic all of a sudden and coming back. I am sure you won't definitely be missed here.

Have a great day!