Friday, 31 August 2012

Sir John A. Macdonald.

My kind of Canadian!

So, I guess I'm supposed to side with the author on this and express righteous indignation while contextualizing everything Sir John A. Macdonald said since it was obviously wrong based on the fact that it offends the modern day sensibilities of your typical urban dwelling, white beta-male, moral-grandstanding type lecturing everybody from a soap box provided to him by some minor-market newspaper.

Thing is I just can't do it because I fail to see what Sir John A. said that was so incorrect.
Macdonald’s comments came as he justified an amendment taking the vote away from anyone “of Mongolian or Chinese race.” He warned that, if the Chinese (who had been in British Columbia as long as Europeans) were allowed to vote, “they might control the vote of that whole Province” and their “Chinese representatives” would foist “Asiatic principles,” “immoralities,” and “eccentricities” on the House “which are abhorrent to the Aryan race and Aryan principles.” He further claimed that “the Aryan races will not wholesomely amalgamate with the Africans or the Asiatics” and that “the cross of those races, like the cross of the dog and the fox, is not successful; it cannot be, and never will be.” For Macdonald, Canada was to be the country that restored a pure Aryan race to its past glory, and the Chinese threatened this purity.
Okay.  I do admit he was wrong with some of what he said.  For instance I wouldn't have described the Chinese as immoral.

He's also incorrect to say that "the Aryan races will not wholesomely amalgamate with the Africans or the Asiatics."  That's completely false and the mixed couples I see in Toronto (mostly white male/Asian female because, I guess, Asian males are so beta that not even their womenfolk want them) attest to that.  Had he said the "Asiatics" will not wholesomely amalgamate with the Africans then he'd be onto something.  (Oh come on, you know it's true!  You want to hear some real racism just get a Chinese national going on about Africans and you better bring the pop-corn 'cause you're in for some real entertainment.  Besides, how many mixed black/Asian couples do you see in Toronto or Vancouver?)

As for exerting their political muscle through voting blocs that "they might control the vote of that whole Province" that's apparent and in the making in Canadian politics today so he was right about that.  And we should just change "Asiatic principles" to Beijing influences to modernize it. 

Where we get offended is his liberal use of the word "Aryan" which has become a word synonymous with white-supremacism thanks to its abuse the Nazi regime and its adoption by the white-nationalist movement.  Were Sir John to use "European" instead of "Aryan" would we still be so offended?

What I object to is the insinuation by the piece that Canada is obligated to open it's doors to all people from all over the world and be blind to any effects it has on the host society.

Let's stop kidding ourselves and throw all politically correct bullshit to the wind.  Canada is a country founded by European/Christian culture shaped within the North American context and influenced by an Indigenous fact.  You can call it a Euro-American identity if you will, as I have done on occasion or two.

Canada has no Asian heritage to speak of.  Saying the Chinese built the rail-road does not give Canada an Asian heritage.

It's also untrue to say that.  While it is true that Chinese labourers were employed to lay the tracks for the rail-road the Chinese were not the total of the labour force.  They were a cheap labour component of a larger workforce.  To say the Chinese built the rail-roads implies they were the only one who did so and this dishonours the memories of those who were not of Chinese decent who laboured on it as well.

We say this to give the Chinese some place in Canadian history when they don't really have one.  It's the over-emphasis of an historical footnote to act as a kind of consolation prize given to them to make them feel good about themselves.  This is like the giving of ribbons for placing seventh place in an event when we all know that what really matters is placing first, second, and third (English, French, Indigenous).  Not everyone can place in the top three so we'll just give ribbons to everyone so that those who don't won't feel so bad and feel like they contributed simply by participating.  You know what I mean?

The recent silliness over the ethnicity of a woman depicted on the new $100 raises a point of discussion.  A focus group objected that the woman looked Asian and thought it should be changed.  Now, the woman doesn't really look Asian but that aside what's to be taken away from this is that to the focus group Asians and the Asian identity are not representative of Canada.  I happen to agree and I think this thought is something the permeates the collective Canadian psyche. While Canada does host a considerable population of Asian extraction the Asian identity is not representative of Canada since Canada was not founded by Asian peoples and their culture.  Asian culture only made it's presence known after Canada had established itself as a European presence on the northern portion of North America.  An Asian woman represents an Asian society, not one founded by a European one.

So let's not say that Sir John A. Macdonald wanted to create an "Aryan Canada" but wanted to make sure Canada remained a country of European influence.  That being said then I ask what's wrong with that?  And for the sake of controversy I will concede that Sir John A. Macdonald meant white to which I ask the a question in the same vein: what's wrong with keeping Canada white majority?  I'm actually curious about the latter one.  If we abandon all arguments based on moral grounds I wonder what rational arguments can be made justifying minority status for Canada's white population brought about by the immigration system.  Shouldn't Canadians be protected from the colonizing effects of mass immigration?  Is this not our right?

And if what Sir John A. Macdonald said is really offensive there are some several thousand Tibetans living the Parkdale neighbourhood of Toronto.  I'm sure they'd like to hear all about it.

13 comments:

Immigrant said...

Need I remind you John Macdonald was an immigrant to Canada as were you. Enough said.

Alain said...

With due respect I must disagree with the statement that Chinese immigrants do not integrate into Canadian society. I worked with many in Vancouver who were as Canadian as anyone. Also my youngest daughter's boyfriend is Chinese Canadian and as Canadian as you or anyone else. What I have noticed is that usually the parents who arrive here as adults have difficulty speaking English and remain attached to the customs they grew up with, but children arriving at a young age or born here adapt and integrate completely.

I should also add that I know immigrants who came from what used to be part of the British Empire, who may not be white but are much more attached to British tradition and values than most younger Brits in the UK. For this reason I must reject the idea that Canadian identity is based on colour or race if you prefer. Personally I prefer those with whom I share the same values and culture whatever their colour to self-hating white with Marxist indoctrination.

PaxCanadiana said...

Need I remind you John Macdonald was an immigrant to Canada as were you. Enough said.

Care to expand on that because I don't know what you mean.

PaxCanadiana said...

For this reason I must reject the idea that Canadian identity is based on colour or race...

I agree with you there but I'm not shy to admit that race does matter when it comes to social cohesion.

I don't see how making Canada's current white majority into a racial minority is a good thing and an influx of non-white immigrants, many of them from Asia, will see that happens. They can be as assimilated as can be but it is still difficult to get past race.

To show you what I mean, going out on a Saturday night in Toronto one can observe the social groupings of people out on the town. It is not uncommon to see Canadian born Asians hanging-out with other Canadian born Asians exclusively. You even see this on the campuses of Canadian universities. South Asian, blacks, etc. behave no differently.

Whites will hang-out with non-whites but only if they are in a social group where white skin is the dominant colour. Whites shy away from social groupings where they are the minority.

Race matters whether we want to admit it or not. If it didn't then why do whites prefer to live in white majority neighbourhoods? Or, try getting a job at an Asian owned business if you're not Asian yourself.

And when whites do become the minority who will then be doing the assimilating and into what?

Anonymous said...

"Need I remind you John Macdonald was an immigrant to Canada as were you."

By that measure everyone's an immigrant, unless of course you believe the indigenes are evolved from beavers or were dropped from the sky by the great Gitcheegomee.

LOL

Anonymous said...

"Also my youngest daughter's boyfriend is Chinese Canadian"

Oy vey is he Jewish?

"Chinese workers at a company in Israel have been forced to agree not to have sex with or marry Israelis as a condition of getting a job.

According to a contact they are required to sign, male workers may not have any contact with Israeli women - including prostitutes..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/24/israel1

Bibbi sounds an awful lot like a modern day Sir John...

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that the "phenomenon of illegal infiltrators from Africa is extremely serious and threatens Israel's social fabric and national security. He made the comments at a cabinet meeting, adding that "if we don't stop the problem, 60,000 infiltrators are liable to become 600,000, and cause the negation of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state."

Negation of Israel as a Jewish State? God forbid. LOL

Anonymous said...

The above article is of course a retrospective view masquerading as a prospective view. Chinese "immoralities" were well documented during MacDonald's time. Polygamy, prostitution and slavery were practiced by many of the Chinese immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American_history#Chinatown:_Slumming.2C_gambling.2C_prostitution_and_opium

Anonymous said...

Re the comment: "Need I remind you John Macdonald was an immigrant to Canada as were you. Enough said."

In 2012 there is a big difference between someone who came in 2011 vs. someone with origins in Canada back to the 1800s. An immigrant is precisely someone who has ACTUALLY IMMIGRATED HERE. If you are born here you are not an immigrant. It is pretty straightforward.

Everytime anyone tries to point out problems with excessive immigration in Canada, those disagreeing always make that same point "we are all immigrants". No, actually, I've always been here. I did not move from someone else. Everyone in the world can probably trace back their ancestors to some common ground, but that doesn't make the negative issues raised by excessive immigration.

As for Macdonald, that was when Canada was developing. I can hardly put him on the same level of contribution as the Sri Lankans and Roma arriving now.

We also have to think of the time. There was a time when high immigration to Canada could be accommodated - there was work and opportunities for all. You had to make it with your own resources - no handouts, welfare, etc. Now only the best and brightest can really thrive. For the rest of the immigrants who end up with minimum wage work, or no work at all, all we are really doing is relieving their countries of origin of the results of their over-population. The over-population of these countries is not the fault of the citizens of Canada, yet we pay for it now. I think helping those in other countries is a noble thing, but we should be able to donate funds as we wish.

Anonymous said...

Quote: "Or, try getting a job at an Asian owned business if you're not Asian yourself."

Exactly. Since we hired a Chinese manager, all new hires have been of Chinese origin. Also, all the suppliers we dealt with have become those owned by other Chinese.

It is interesting that Canadians (white) were open to hiring all races (hence the new manager), yet now, 12 months later, approx. 80% of my department is Chinese. No one says anything because apparently he gets a pass.

PaxCanadiana said...

By that measure everyone's an immigrant, unless of course you believe the indigenes are evolved from beavers or were dropped from the sky by the great Gitcheegomee.

I know right!?

When you stop to think about it it's a silly thing to say.

Following that logic if we go back far enough we're all Africans so I guess when the Europeans colonized the African continent they were just reclaiming ancestral land.

PaxCanadiana said...

Chinese "immoralities" were well documented during MacDonald's time. Polygamy, prostitution and slavery were practiced by many of the Chinese immigrants.

God point and thanks for bringing it up.

I do know based on a documentary about one Chinese immigrant living in B.C. at the time did have multiple wives so polygamy was being practiced by Chinese immigrants.

Unknown said...

Perhaps you should take some history lessons. Aboriginal people lived here for thousands of years before your so called "Aryan" people arrived to steal land, rape resources, and nearly committed genocide on the Aboriginals. So please don't employ your standards of morality. And did you know there is scientifically no such thing as race? Finally, why don't you print your real name if you are not "shy" and if you want to cut through the "bullshit".

PaxCanadiana said...

Perhaps you should take some history lessons. Aboriginal people lived here for thousands of years before your so called "Aryan" people arrived to steal land, rape resources, and nearly committed genocide on the Aboriginals.

You mean native North Americans who, according to the latest DNA testing, suggests a link to ancient Europeans?

http://sciencenordic.com/dna-links-native-americans-europeans

So you had Europeans settling a land occupied by people carrying European DNA.

I'm sorry what's the problem again?

And did you know there is scientifically no such thing as race?

If you say so.